The Conversation
Politics with Michelle Grattan
The Conversation's Chief Political Correspondent Michelle Grattan talks politics with politicians and experts, from Capital Hill.
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Jul 8, 2026
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Episodes
Andrew Wilkie on the need to go harder to curb gambling advertising 08.07.2026 26:03
Long-time gambling reform advocate Andrew Wilkie says a reason the government is being timid on the issue is because of close relationships with affected industries.
Julian Leeser on fighting an 'explosion' of hate in Australia 02.07.2026 30:39
The Liberal frontbencher is the opposition’s leading Jewish voice and will soon appear at the royal commission on antisemitism.
Jenny McAllister on why NDIS reforms are being delayed 25.06.2026 28:46
The NDIS minister joined the podcast to discuss the government's reforms – and what the changes mean for 160,000 Australians.
Jonno Duniam on guilt and relief about quitting politics 18.06.2026 41:09
The departing Liberal frontbencher also said it's 'mad' to be talking about doing deals with One Nation so far from an election. Mentioned in this episode: The Making of One Nation Follow the Making of One Nation so you don't miss an episode.
Pollster Simon Welsh on One Nation's rise and Victoria's 'very messy' election 10.06.2026 29:52
The pollster also warns any move to replace Victorian premier Jacinta Allan before the November state election would be a 'disaster' for Labor. Mentioned in this episode: Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025 The Making of One Nation Follow the Making of One Nation so you don't miss an episode.
Graeme Samuel on 'doomsday' attacks on the federal budget 03.06.2026 33:58
The businessman and former competition chief says the fierce criticism of what he calls 'mild' budget changes shows why politicians have avoided reform for decades. Mentioned in this episode: The Making of One Nation Follow the Making of One Nation so you don't miss an episode. Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025
Keith Wolahan on when Liberals should preference One Nation 27.05.2026 26:49
The moderate Liberal, who lost his seat last year, said his party was now 'fighting for its existence' – and can't ignore the need to work with One Nation. Mentioned in this episode: Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025
Margaret Thornton on the landmark Tickle v Giggle transgender case 20.05.2026 17:15
The anti-discrimination expert explains what the case was about, why it's set for an appeal -- and the broader implications if the decision stands. Mentioned in this episode: Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025 The Making of One Nation Follow the Making of One Nation so you don't miss an episode.
Jim Chalmers says 'we're in the cart' for more tax relief 14.05.2026 14:38
The treasurer joined us on the podcast to defend his fifth budget, explaining the 'new architecture' to make future tax cuts easier 'when the budget can afford it'. Mentioned in this episode: Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025 The Making of One Nation Search for "The Making of One Nation" - new episodes out weekly. The Making of One Nation
Tim Wilson on the budget's hidden hits on young Australians 13.05.2026 15:04
The shadow treasurer plans to fight Labor's tax changes, arguing they would increase pressure on rents and 'kneecap' young Australians trying to get ahead. Mentioned in this episode: Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025 The Making of One Nation Follow the Making of One Nation so you don't miss an episode.
Alan Kohler says Labor's tax changes probably won't lower house prices 05.05.2026 22:50
The finance journalist says changes to capital gains tax concessions and negative gearing are only likely to have a 'symbolic effect' on housing affordability. Mentioned in this episode: The Making of One Nation Search for "The Making of One Nation" - new episodes out weekly. The Making of One Nation Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025
Antony Green on how Farrer's 'breakout' by-election will make history 29.04.2026 39:26
One of the frontrunners in the historic by-election, independent Michelle Milthorpe, as well as One Nation MP Barnaby Joyce, also joined us on the podcast. Mentioned in this episode: Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025 The Making of One Nation Search for "The Making of One Nation" - new episodes out weekly. The Making of One Nation
Former minister Ed Husic on why Labor must 'stare down' gas companies over tax 21.04.2026 29:43
The former cabinet minister said Australians have been 'sold short' by not taxing gas exports enough. Mentioned in this episode: The Making of One Nation Follow the Making of One Nation so you don't miss an episode. Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025
Economist Chris Richardson on next steps in fuel crisis 16.04.2026 24:34
We speak to independent economist Chris Richardson on the fuel crisis and the Australian economy. Mentioned in this episode: Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025 The Making of One Nation Search for "The Making of One Nation" - new episodes out weekly. The Making of One Nation
The Making of One Nation: enter the outside 01.04.2026 26:03
Nearly thirty years on, Hanson's infamous maiden speech — warning that Australia was "being swamped by Asians" — still echoes through Australian political life. But who was Pauline Hanson before she became a phenomenon, and what did she actually represent? Was she a cause of a new kind of politics, or a symptom of one already forming? Mentioned in this episode: Your support matters Support non-pro...
Rory Medcalf on Australians' growing national security fears 23.03.2026 29:44
The security expert says there's been a 'disturbing' rise in Australians' anxiety about national security over the past two years. Mentioned in this episode: Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025 The Making of One Nation Follow The Making of One Nation so you don't miss an episode. The Making of One Nation
Farrer by-election tests One Nation 16.03.2026 1:03:32
Ahead of the May 9 by-election, hear from candidates and locals about the early frontrunners to win Farrer – long held by former Liberal leader Sussan Ley. Mentioned in this episode: Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025 The Making of One Nation Follow The Making of One Nation so you don't miss an episode. The Making of One Nation
RBA Deputy's inflation warning 10.03.2026 33:55
The Reserve Bank's Andrew Hauser told The Conversation's podcast inflation is likely to be higher than projected before the war in the Middle East broke out. Mentioned in this episode: The Making of One Nation Follow The Making of One Nation so you don't miss an episode. The Making of One Nation Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025
South Australian election special 05.03.2026 45:38
Labor is expected to be returned in power in a landslide. But the election is also the first test of One Nation's ability to turn its surging popularity into seats. Mentioned in this episode: The Making of One Nation Follow The Making of One Nation so you don't miss an episode. The Making of One Nation Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025
Geoffrey Watson backs calls for royal commission on CFMEU scandal 25.02.2026 31:32
The anti-corruption expert says Victoria's Labor government was willing to 'deal with the devil' on its Big Build projects – at the cost of 'bad governing'. Mentioned in this episode: Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025 The Making of One Nation Follow The Making of One Nation so you don't miss an episode. The Making of One Nation
New Liberal deputy Jane Hume on industrial relations, child care and a decade in politics 19.02.2026 36:14
The newly installed Liberal deputy leader talks about the turnaround in her fortunes, the spectre of WorkChoices, and why she doesn't believe in quotas for women. Mentioned in this episode: Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025 The Making of One Nation Follow The Making of One Nation so you don't miss an episode. The Making of One Nation
Tony Barry on why a new Liberal leader isn't a quick fix 10.02.2026 25:27
What do Australians in focus groups say about the Liberal Party right now? "They just kind of laugh," the former Liberal staffer turned pollster says. Mentioned in this episode: Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025 The Making of One Nation Follow The Making of One Nation so you don't miss an episode. The Making of One Nation
Barnaby Joyce on getting on with Pauline Hanson and One Nation's rise 04.02.2026 36:15
Joyce says 'I'm not going to be wearing a burqa' like the One Nation leader – but his relationship with her is stronger than his 'bitter' end with the Nationals. Mentioned in this episode: Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025
Jonno Duniam on the 'frenzy' over hate speech laws and the Coalition split 28.01.2026 34:25
The Liberal senator says 'social media influencers' have falsely 'whipped up a frenzy' of misinformation about new hate speech laws limiting freedom of speech. Mentioned in this episode: Your support matters Support non-profit journalism you can trust. Donations 2025
The Making of an Autocrat: co-opt the military 04.01.2026 19:48
In November, six Democratic lawmakers recorded a video directed at members of the US military and intelligence agencies. In it, they issued a blunt reminder: "The laws are clear: you can refuse illegal orders. […] You must refuse illegal orders." The lawmakers were issuing the warning against the backdrop of US airstrikes on boats off the coast of Latin America the Trump administration claims are...
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