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Pixel Perfect Podcast

Welcome to The Pixel Perfect Podcast, presented by White Rabbit Group. Join us for engaging discussions with leading creatives and entrepreneurs. We delve into their experiences in design and business, offering you meaningful insights and advice.

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Latest episode

Jun 22, 2026

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Episodes

Always Be Inviting: Joe Rinaldi on Community as Your BizDev Engine 22.06.2026

Joe Rinaldi has spent his career around studio-sized agencies, as the biz dev guy at Happy Cog in its celebrity-agency years and now as a consultant who has worked with more than 90 of them. So while the industry tries to escape referrals, Joe runs the other way. Referrals were never the problem, he tells Adam Weil. Almost no agency has a plan to make more of them, so most owners just wait super h...

The Churn Consultant: Max Traylor on Growing the Accounts You Already Have 08.06.2026

Max Traylor has a job title that makes people read it twice. He's an agency churn consultant, which means agencies bring him in to figure out why their clients leave. His take reframes the whole growth question: the fastest growth an agency can find is usually sitting in the clients it already has, and most of it goes untouched because account managers only ever talk about marketing, which sit...

The Honest Matchmaker: Daniel Weiner on Pairing Brands With Agencies 14.05.2026

Daniel Weiner runs You Should Talk To, a consultancy that pairs brand marketers with the agencies that fit them. In this conversation with Adam Weil, Daniel lays out a take that earns him heat on LinkedIn pretty regularly: the work doesn't matter until it does. Sure, you have to be reasonably good at what you do, that's table stakes. But with over 100,000 agencies in the US alone, doing gr...

The Compliance Tax: Lior and Sophia on What It's Actually Costing Your Campaigns 11.05.2026

Most agencies find out they have a compliance problem the same way. An ad gets rejected. An account gets shut down. A campaign that took weeks to build goes dark overnight. By then, the damage is already done. Lior Root and Sophia Trunzo built Loopholes because they lived that exact cycle. They were running campaigns in regulated categories, finance, supplements, cannabis, and kept hitting the sam...

Soul Before Scale: Dana Arnold on Building Growth as a System 05.05.2026

Most agencies hear "growth" and immediately think pipeline. Dana Arnold, Chief Growth Officer at Hiebing, has a different take. And it shows in how Hiebing has operated for over 40 years. In this conversation, Dana lays out what a modern growth function actually looks like when it's built to last. It's a system. A discipline. And yes, part of that system is supposed to be a littl...

The Double Penalty: Mike Perez on Why AEO Without SEO Is a Trap 27.04.2026

Mike Perez spent more than two decades in the trenches of SEO. Not as a consultant theorizing from the sidelines, but as someone who built a digital marketing agency from scratch, grew it past $20 million in revenue serving some of the most competitive verticals in search, and then exited. He did not stop there. He kept building. Hoverboard AI, SerpIntelligence, FluxalityAI. Tools he built because...

Constraint as Craft: Salwa Whiting on Design, Trust, and Building Brands That Last 20.04.2026

Salwa Whiting has done something that sounds simple but most creative leaders never fully commit to. She built genuine fluency across the full creative stack. Brand identity. UX and UI. Physical spaces. Team leadership. And she did it in one of the most unforgiving creative environments there is: financial services, where clarity is not a nice-to-have but a legal requirement. In this conversation...

One Audience, One Problem, One Solution: Chris DuBois on the Math That Makes Niching Obvious 13.04.2026

Chris DuBois runs Dynamic Agency OS and works with agency founders who have proven they can deliver great work but have no idea where their next two months of pipeline are coming from. In this conversation with Adam Weil, he breaks down why the referral ceiling is the most common growth trap for sub-$1M agencies and what it actually takes to build a business that creates its own demand. The conver...

One Audience, One Problem, One Solution: Chris DuBois on the Math That Makes Niching Obvious 13.04.2026

Chris DuBois runs Dynamic Agency OS and works with agency founders who have proven they can deliver great work but have no idea where their next two months of pipeline are coming from. In this conversation with Adam Weil, he breaks down why the referral ceiling is the most common growth trap for sub-$1M agencies and what it actually takes to build a business that creates its own demand. The conver...

Reputation, Talent, Trust: John Dunleavy on Why Small Agencies Are Winning Now 06.04.2026

John Dunleavy spent nearly four decades at the top of the agency world. Ogilvy. McCann. WPP. In this conversation, John, now Global Managing Director at the Charles Group, sits down with Adam to talk about what actually transfers when you go from running a holding company network to building an independent agency. His answer might surprise you. The processes don't. The org charts don't. Wh...

Partners Over Vendors: Elizabeth Amstutz on Culture, Clarity, and Client Growth at Scale 27.03.2026

Empower Media has been around for 40 years. Now, as Empower Ocean Media Group, it's the second-largest independent media agency in the U.S. with $1.5 billion in billings. That kind of growth doesn't happen by accident. Someone has to build the people system that makes it work. That someone is Elizabeth Amstutz. In this conversation with Adam Weil, she walks through how she thinks about foc...

Truth Over Trend: Ellis Verdi on What Actually Lasts in Advertising 20.03.2026

Ellis Verdi has been running DeVito/Verdi for close to 40 years. In that time, the agency has been named best mid/small agency in the U.S. six times by the 4A’s. A record nobody has touched. And Ellis never built a marketing plan to get there. He’s still energized by the same thing that got them started: independence. Not independence as a corporate structure. Independence as a posture. The kind w...

Decent Is Done: Benjamin Gabe Nazario on What Small Agencies Get Right and What AI Can't Replace 10.03.2026

Benjamin Gabe Nazario runs Offbeat Creative with four people. Full-timers. That's it. And they're producing video and social content for JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, Google, Samsung, and Disney. In this conversation with Adam Weil, Gabe walks through how a team that small competes at that level and why he chose this model after burning out trying to do everything himself. The conversation cover...

Small by Design: Miles Marmo on Building a Boutique That Actually Wins 03.03.2026

Miles Marmo spent years managing creative, media, and PR agencies from the brand side at Mark Anthony Group. The pattern he kept seeing was the same at every scale. Beautiful creative work that had no real connection to whether the business was actually growing. Agencies would pitch big ideas, win awards, move on. Meanwhile the brand team was left trying to figure out if any of it moved the needle...

The Loud Introvert: Chris Do on Craft, Confidence, and Charging What You're Worth 20.02.2026

Chris Do, Founder and CEO of The Futur, and Adam Weil start from a place a lot of agency owners will recognize. You can be “good with people” and still be an introvert. Chris explains introversion as energy management, then gets specific about how he built tolerance over time. Teaching used to wipe him out for a day and a half. Now he can teach twice in a day because he treated it like exposure th...

The Webinar Rebuild: Logan Lyles on Turning Virtual Events Into Demand Engines 11.02.2026

Logan Lyles spent an entire year running monthly webinars that resulted in fewer than ten sales calls and only one closed deal. Instead of abandoning webinars altogether, he rebuilt his approach from scratch and turned those same virtual events into his agency's second highest source of new leads. In this conversation with Adam Weil, Logan walks through what changed, why most B2B webinars stru...

Culture as Currency: Shawn Kessler on Building Employer Brands That Attract Talent 04.02.2026

Recruitment marketing used to be simple. Post the role, pay the job board, hope the right person finds it. Shawn Kessler has been watching that whole system change for 25 years, and the last year has been the real shift. Candidates are starting to search differently, and AI is changing what gets surfaced first. That has big implications for agencies, because they sell the collective excellence of...

Reset Your Expectations: David C. Baker on Building Agencies That Actually Work 02.02.2026

David C. Baker joins Adam Weil with a simple starting point: calm down, reset your expectations, and stop letting the loudest voices set your priorities. He’s seen plenty of industry “moats” come and go, and he puts AI in that same bucket. Real change, yes. A reason to spiral, no. What matters more is how leaders respond when the noise gets louder, and whether they stay focused on fundamentals ins...

Outcome Based Pricing: Dan Mall on Why Saying No Drives Agency Growth 21.01.2026

Dan Mall, designer, agency founder, and one of the most transparent voices in the creative business space, joins Adam Weil to break down what it really takes to build an agency that is both profitable and calm. Dan shares why most agencies default to hourly pricing and how that choice quietly caps confidence, revenue, and leverage. Instead of treating pricing as a calculation tied to time, he refr...

Scaling Agencies That Convert: Tyler Pigott on Building Sales Systems That Drive Growth 12.01.2026

Tyler Pigott, Senior Director of Sales at StoryBrand and Co Founder at Agency Builders, joins the Pixel Perfect Podcast for a grounded conversation about what it really takes to scale an agency on purpose. Instead of relying on word of mouth or a few big wins, Tyler lays out how founders can move from hope driven pipelines to sales systems that consistently convert. Drawing on his experience leadi...

Orchestration Over Ownership: Ivan Fernandes on Building Agencies That Last 05.01.2026

Ivan Fernandes, a globally recognized marketing management consultant and M&A advisor, delivers a reality check on where agencies stand as AI, consolidation, and client sophistication collide. In this conversation with Adam Weil, Ivan argues that most agency leaders aren't asking the hard questions soon enough. They're waiting to see where things land instead of paying attention to the...

Built to Change: How Modern Agencies Evolve in the Age of Intelligence 03.12.2025

In this episode, Adam Weil sits down with Carl Smith, Owner of The Bureau, to unpack how the agency model is shifting as AI becomes deeply embedded in the work clients expect. Carl shares why he believes the traditional expertise model is reaching its limit. With clients now tapping into the same tools and information as agencies, the real value is no longer about knowing what can be done. It is a...

From Founder to Facilitator: Peter Kang on Scaling Agency Businesses with Purpose 08.10.2025

In this episode, Adam Weil sits down with Peter Kang, Co-founder of Barrel Holdings, to unpack the disciplined habits and systems that scale agency businesses for the long term. Peter dives deep into the philosophy that transformed his single agency, Barrel, into a thriving portfolio of seven specialized firms. He shares the framework behind his "Agency Habits," emphasizing that sustaina...

Finding Your Lane: John Harris on Scaling Independent Agencies Through Clarity, Collaboration, and Smart Growth 26.08.2025

In this episode, Adam Weil sits down with John Harris, President & CEO of  Worldwide Partners, Inc ., a global network of over 90 independent marketing agencies in 50+ countries. John shares his vantage point from working daily with agencies across continents and industries, offering a candid, optimistic view of the current agency landscape. They dive into what sets thriving agencies apart fro...

Creative Talent in an AI World: A Conversation with Dave Miller 11.07.2025

In this episode, Adam Weil talks with Dave Miller, founder of Design Citizen , about the state of the design industry amid AI disruption, shifting team structures, and widespread burnout. Dave reflects on the turbulence of 2023–2024, when layoffs in tech disproportionately impacted designers, especially leaders and researchers, and how AI’s rapid rise has changed the rules. He emphasizes that toda...

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