Joan Garry & Glennda Testone
Nonprofits Are Messy: Lessons in Leadership | Fundraising | Board Development | Communications
Nonprofits Are Messy is the podcast for nonprofit leaders navigating the real challenges of leadership, fundraising, governance, communications, and organizational growth. Hosted by Joan Garry and Glennda Testone, each episode features candid conversations, practical advice, and honest stories to help you lead with greater confidence through the messiness of nonprofit work.
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Jun 20, 2026
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Episodes
Ep 84: Passion, Conflict, Diversity, and Leadership (with Parisa Parsa) 04.05.2019 56:55
Are you read to develop the skills, and manage the conflict that accompanies passionate and diverse points of view? As a leader, this is critical!
Ep 83: You’re Doing Meetings All Wrong (with Priya Parker) 20.04.2019 48:50
Learn from my guest Priya Parker how to create super effective meetings, resolve tough conflicts, and throw killer dinner parties.
Ep 82: Helping the Helpers 06.04.2019 22:13
I get to work with thousands of amazing nonprofit leaders inside the Nonprofit Leadership Lab. Allow me to introduce a few of them to you.
Ep 81: How to Grow a Movement and an “Army of the Engaged” (with Rashad Robinson) 23.03.2019 52:41
In a polarized world, power to effect change comes from building an “army of the engaged”. Here's how my guest, Rashad Robinson, did just that.
Ep 80: Why is Change So Hard? (with Lisa Lahey) 09.03.2019 51:02
Nonprofits want to change the world in ways large and small. And yet, when it comes to bringing change into our own orgs, it’s really hard!
Ep 79: How a Film Festival Impacts Community Building (with Evelyn Colbert) 23.02.2019 51:20
Learn more about the birth of a film festival and the superpower of this type of non profit in building community.
Ep 78: What Nonprofits Can Learn from Tech Start-ups (with Ann Mei) 09.02.2019 49:17
Organizations of all kinds know they must innovate or die out. But this word causes nonprofit leaders to break out in cold sweats. Why?
Ep 77: Navigating the Tension Between Development and Communications (with Steve Ralls) 26.01.2019 42:06
Learn more about common tensions between Development and Communications and whether merging them under one umbrella works or muddies the water.
Ep 76: The 4 Obstacles to a Diverse Board 12.01.2019 29:49
I believe there are 4 primary obstacles to building a diverse board. In this episode, I explain what they are and I’ll tell you exactly how you can overcome them.
Ep 75: What’s Your One Big 2019 Goal? 29.12.2018 20:09
Name a big goal you have for the coming year. That’s what I asked more than a dozen nonprofit leaders. Here’s what they told me.
Ep 74: Good People, Hidden Biases, and Navigating Your Blind Spots (with Anthony Greenwald) 15.12.2018 45:38
You’re a nonprofit person, so you probably want to change hearts and minds, but your blind spots may be getting in the way.
Ep 73: The Arc of a Successful Capital Campaign (with Eric Javier) 01.12.2018 42:28
You need to make a huge leap in your nonprofit. And so you require a significant amount of money in a certain period of time. You may need a capital campaign.
Ep 72: Successful Year End Fundraising (with Gail Perry) 17.11.2018 44:40
We’ve reached prime-time giving season, and I have some good news. It’s absolutely not too late to exceed your goals, no matter where you currently are in your process.
Ep 71: A Smart Nonprofit Budgeting Process (with Hilda Polanco) 03.11.2018 48:51
Is your nonprofit budgeting process a royal pain or a living, breathing plan for your leaders to determine your organization’s priorities?
Ep 70: Unicorns, Superheroes and Nonprofit Leaders (With Vu Le) 20.10.2018 46:25
It’s a bird, it’s a plane… no, it’s a nonprofit leader. The work you do matters more than you know and more than anyone will ever tell you.
Ep 69: New Power and the Building of Movements (with Henry Timms) 06.10.2018 52:50
Giving Tuesday, #MeToo, the Ice Bucket Challenge, the out-of-nowhere victories of Obama and Trump… They all have something important in common – they were movements forged by “New Power”.
Ep 68: No, You Can’t Do It All 22.09.2018 23:35
How do you take care of yourself and still be responsible to your organization and the people you serve?
Ep 67: Busting the Overhead Myth (with Dan Pallotta) 08.09.2018 39:26
Donors won’t give to charities with “high overhead.” Right? But what structural problems does this cause? My guest, Dan Pallotta, busts the nonprofit overhead myth.
Ep 66: When it’s Time to Leave Your Org (with Kate Kendell) 25.08.2018 47:30
Why do Executive Directors sometimes overstay their roles? Inertia? Love of the job? A board that doesn’t want them to leave? How do you know when it’s time to go?
Ep 65: The Case of the Serial Nonprofit Founder (with Robin Steinberg) 11.08.2018 50:51
Nonprofit founders are superheroes. Robin Steinberg is certainly one. In fact, she keeps on creating new nonprofits! And she has a wealth of knowledge to share.
Ep 64: Donors Who Know More, Give More (with Roxie Jerde) 28.07.2018 46:47
How educated do you think most donors are about the organization they support and invest in? Not very. And this is a big problem we must solve.
Ep 63: How To Think About Mergers and Collaborations (with Nadya Shmavonian) 14.07.2018 52:30
Mergers can help nonprofits increase reach and impact, but they can also become a disaster. Here’s how to decide if you should go for it.
Ep 62: Hiring the Perfect Executive Director (with Dara Klarfeld) 30.06.2018 42:00
What is the secret sauce to finding and hiring the perfect ED for your organization? How can you become a “rockstar” candidate? Find out in today’s episode.
Ep 61: How to Build a Smart Communications Plan (with Ben Wyskida) 16.06.2018 41:08
In this episode, Ben Wyskida, CEO of Fenton Communications explains what you must do to build a successful communications plan for your nonprofit.
Ep 60: Why Nonprofit Journalism Matters (with Christa Scharfenberg) 02.06.2018 40:46
Nonprofit media fills an important gap. Local and regional newsrooms have been decimated and the expense of investigative journalism is very high. In this episode, Christa Scharfenberg, the acting CEO for the Center of Investigative Reporting, explains the specific challenges nonprofit journalism faces.
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