Joan Garry & Glennda Testone

Nonprofits Are Messy: Lessons in Leadership | Fundraising | Board Development | Communications

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Nonprofits Are Messy is the podcast for nonprofit leaders navigating the real challenges of leadership, fundraising, governance, communications, and organizational growth. Hosted by Joan Garry and Glennda Testone, each episode features candid conversations, practical advice, and honest stories to help you lead with greater confidence through the messiness of nonprofit work.

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Joan Garry & Glennda Testone

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Business

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joangarry.com

Latest episode

Jun 20, 2026

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Episodes

Ep 107: The Top 20 Attributes of an Outstanding Board 25.04.2020

When you are looking to build an outstanding board think of it as a strategic casting call! Here are the top characteristics of an outstanding board and the ideal attributes of a board leader.

Ep 106: Introducing Your Nonprofit Life (with Laura Zielke) 11.04.2020

There is nothing like a good spinoff. Some of the best TV shows of all time found their origins in another show. And now there’s a spinoff of this podcast!

Ep 105: Leadership in the Time of COVID-19 28.03.2020

Everyone contends with pervasive anxiety in different ways. I have five pieces of advice from me to all of you leaders and helpers out there. Stay safe!

Ep 104: Creating a Nonprofit Communications Engine (with Sarah Durham) 14.03.2020

Your nonprofit can probably do a better job of communicating to build engagement and inspire action. Sarah Durham is THE expert on this.

Ep 103: Stronger Together: The Power of Cohort Learning (with Darlene Nipper) 02.03.2020

The most valuable kind of leadership development happens in a cohort. And that’s what this episode is all about.

Ep 102: Is Abuse of Power Epidemic in the Nonprofit Sector? (with Sarah Beaulieu and Kim Jones) 15.02.2020

I wrote an article in the Chronicle of Philanthropy on this topic and got a tremendous response. It seems abuse of power may be rampant.

Ep 101: Managing the Tension of Change (with Michael DePass) 01.02.2020

while change can lead to growth, sometimes leaders fail to manage the tensions that growth brings, and this can cripple an organization’s impact.

Ep 100: The Professional Interim Executive Director (with Margo Amgott) 18.01.2020

When your Executive Director is actually the “Interim Executive Director,” it means something went wrong… right? Well, maybe not.

Ep 99: What Visionaries Do Best (with Paul Rice) 04.01.2020

What kind of person does it take to build a movement? What are the strategies that take something seemingly small and turn it into a global game changer?

Ep 98: Movements are Like Relay Races (with Frances Kunreuther) 07.12.2019

I’m thrilled to give voice to a passionate change agent who knows how to build a movement, Frances Kunreuther, Co-Director of the Building Movement Project.

Ep 97: The Telltale Signs of Founder Syndrome (Part 2) with Rachael Gibson 16.11.2019

The founder of your organization is leaving and you’re coming in as the new leader. How do you follow a founder and be successful?

Ep 96: The Telltale Signs of Founder Syndrome (Part 1) with Rachael Gibson 02.11.2019

A fascinating discussion about the remarkable nature of founders, founder syndrome, and how do you get a founder to leave.

Ep 95: How Do We Ignite Our Volunteers? (with Tobi Johnson) 19.10.2019

Volunteerism is both noble and necessary in our polarized world. But how do you ignite them and keep them engaged over the long term?

Ep 94: Tales From the Trenches (with Darian Rodriguez Heyman) 05.10.2019

From messes to remarkable victories, boards who step up to those missing in action; from bad days to the days you save someone’s life… we all have tales.

Ep 93: Why Even a Good Executive Director Needs a Coach 21.09.2019

Professional development for nonprofit leaders - luxury or necessity? In this podcast I talk about how maximizing impact requires an investment in support.

Bonus Episode: Small But Mighty Nonprofits (with Laura Zielke) 14.09.2019

Most folks are utterly clueless about the size and scope of the nonprofit sector. In fact it’s not really thought of as a sector.

Ep 92: The Lonely Nonprofit Leader (with Glennda Testone) 07.09.2019

You’ve probably heard of “Imposter Syndrome”. But have you heard of “Loneliness Syndrome”?

Ep 91: The Diversity Problem in Our Sector (with Diahann Billings-Burford) 24.08.2019

Nonprofits have a diversity problem. Big time. And I believe this is one of the most important issues facing the sector today.

Ep 90: Why People Don’t Donate (and What You Can Do About It) (with Phil Buchanan) 10.08.2019

There are so many people who want to make a difference and your nonprofit is a vehicle for them to do just that. So why can it be so hard to get people (or foundations) to open their checkbooks?

Ep 89: Nonprofit Partnerships, Mergers, and Acquisitions (with Wendy Foster) 27.07.2019

Find out how partnerships can succeed and when they might fail and learn the origin story of the successful partnership between Uber and Big Brothers and Big Sisters.

Ep 88: Everything You Wanted to Know About Planned Giving (with Judi O’Kelley) 13.07.2019

Planned giving can be a fantastic way for nonprofits to raise significant funds and can greatly benefit both the organization and the donor.

Bonus Episode: Nonprofit Workspaces (Joan Garry on the “Dear HBR” Podcast) 01.07.2019

Does standard work advice not apply to you because you’re at a nonprofit? In this episode of HBR's advice podcast, Dear HBR:, cohosts Alison Beard and Dan McGinn answer your questions with the help of Joan Garry.

Ep 87: True Confessions of a Five Star Board Chair (with Daryl Messinger) 15.06.2019

I have met many first rate board chairs and even had a few during my tenure as an Executive Director, but my guest today is the entire package.

Ep 86: An Artful Approach to Social Media (with Robin Cembalest) 01.06.2019

Learn how Robin Cembalest has built an enormous social media following and take away lessons that any nonprofit can implement.

Ep 85: Managing Rapid Growth – the Story of charity: water (with Lauren Letta) 18.05.2019

charity: water’s growth and impact has been nothing short of remarkable. Here’s the story of how they scaled their organization.

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