Heather Cetrangolo

Never Too Far Gone

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Heather Cetrangolo is the creator of Systemic Renewal, a methodology for rebuilding broken systems. Never Too Far Gone is her weekly podcast about the practice of Systemic Renewal and the research behind it. Having spent twenty years developing this kind of leadership in legal practice, community development, education and as an Anglican priest, Heather has now designed an evidence-based approach to rebuilding broken systems, whether in corporate, NFP or government sectors. The podcast is designed to provide a weekly guided reflection for leaders of change to be inspired and intentional in the...

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Heather Cetrangolo

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nevertoofargone.podbean.com

Latest episode

Oct 6, 2025

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Episodes

Why You Probably Don't Need The Big Guy 06.10.2025

Sometimes the smallest, messiest, most depleted organisation still has more life in it than you might think. In this episode Heather shares why she believes that external partners might offer quicker solutions, but it is almost always a false economy. She unpacks why she has chosen to focus her life on renewing long-established systems from within, assisting them to develop their own in-house solu...

Who Could Ever Learn to Love a Beast? 06.10.2025

In this episode Heather explains what a 'Renewalist' is and why it is a different style of leadership to two more readily recognised categories, being management and advocacy. Heather explains from the example of Beauty and the Beast, how Renewalists are people who humanise systems by stepping into them fully. The episode ends with a time for reflection about whether you are "all in" to lead the c...

Planning for the Unplanned 06.10.2025

In this quick Learning Byte, Heather shares about the importance of planning for the unplanned, or making space for what John Paul Lederach describes as "Serendipity." Heather shares an example of serendipitous discoveries that have been taking place for her at Holy Trinity in Port Melbourne. This episode finishes with an exercise in observing the unplanned experiences and opportunities that may b...

How to Remember That You Are More Powerful Than You Think You Are 05.10.2025

Every great leader experiences small, medium and big setbacks along the way. Knowing how to weather and metabolise these experiences can make the difference between going the distance, and not. This is the fourth of a series that draws from John Paul Lederach's book, The Moral Imagination (2005) in which he describes the place of patience, place, time and serendipity in the practice of peacebuildi...

Stillness as Place 05.01.2025

This is the third of a four-part series called Stillness, a practical guide to creating pause in the midst of conflict. 'Stillness' is not a meditation or spiritual practice, but the art of suspending judgement to observe what is happening in a conflict, be it an inner-conflict, intergroup or intragroup storming. This series draws from John Paul Lederach's book, The Moral Imagination (2005) in whi...

Patience in the Startup Phase 30.09.2024

This is the second of a four-part series called Stillness, a practical guide to creating pause in the midst of conflict. 'Stillness' is not a meditation or spiritual practice, but the art of suspending judgement to observe what is happening in a conflict, be it an inner-conflict, intergroup or intragroup storming. This series draws from John Paul Lederach's book, The Moral Imagination (2005) in wh...

Three Eyes of Three Storms 21.09.2024

This is the first of a four-part series called Stillness, a practical guide to creating pause in the midst of conflict. 'Stillness' is not a meditation or spiritual practice, but the art of suspending judgement to observe what is happening in a conflict, be it an inner-conflict, intergroup or intragroup storming. This series draws from John Paul Lederach's book, The Moral Imagination (2005) in whi...

Discerning Your Career Path, with Carl Stauffer 09.08.2024

This is the final episode of an eight-part series called Policy Matters, journeying into how to be a successful policy entrepreneur, based on Michael Sheldrick's From Ideas to Impact. This episode explores how to discern your career journey, featuring Carl Stauffer, Senior Expert in Reconciliation at the United States Institute for Peace. Carl looks back over his 30 years of experience as a strate...

When the War is Over (and When It's Not), with Carl Stauffer 02.08.2024

This is the seventh of an eight-part series called Policy Matters, journeying into how to be a successful policy entrepreneur, based on Michael Sheldrick's From Ideas to Impact. The final two episodes of this series take a slightly different turn, as we meet with Carl Stauffer, Senior Expert in Reconciliation at the United States Institute for Peace. Carl is a strategic leader with over 30 years e...

Keeping the Agenda on the Table 25.07.2024

This is the sixth of an eight-part series called Policy Matters, based on Michael Sheldrick's newly released book From Ideas to Impact: A Playbook for Influencing and Implementing Change in a Divided World. Michael Sheldrick is the Co-Founder of Global Citizen and has worked with a range of stakeholders to distribute over $40 billion worldwide in the past decade to end extreme poverty. In this epi...

Turn Up With Solutions, with Michael Sheldrick 20.06.2024

This is the fifth of an eight-part series called Policy Matters, based on Michael Sheldrick's newly released book From Ideas to Impact: A Playbook for Influencing and Implementing Change in a Divided World. Michael Sheldrick is the Co-Founder of Global Citizen and has worked with a range of stakeholders to distribute over $40 billion around the world in the past decade to end extreme poverty. In t...

Focus on the Ten That Say Yes Not the Ninety That Say No, with Michael Sheldrick 13.06.2024

This is the fourth of an eight-part series called Policy Matters, based on Michael Sheldrick's newly released book From Ideas to Impact: A Playbook for Influencing and Implementing Change in a Divided World. Michael Sheldrick is the Co-Founder of Global Citizen and has worked with a range of stakeholders to distribute over $40 billion around the world in the past decade to end extreme poverty. In...

Working with Corrupt Systems and Corrupt People 07.06.2024

This is the third of an eight-part series called Policy Matters, based on Michael Sheldrick's newly released book From Ideas to Impact: A Playbook for Influencing and Implementing Change in a Divided World. Michael Sheldrick is the Co-Founder of Global Citizen and has worked with a range of stakeholders to distribute over $40 billion around the world in the past decade to end extreme poverty. In t...

Six Enemies to Vision and How to Smash Them 31.05.2024

This is the second of an eight-part series called Policy Matters, based on Michael Sheldrick's newly released book From Ideas to Impact: A Playbook for Influencing and Implementing Change in a Divided World. Michael Sheldrick is the Co-Founder of Global Citizen and has worked with a range of stakeholders to distribute over $40 billion around the world in the past decade to end extreme poverty. In...

Is Policy the Best Lever for Change? 24.05.2024

This is the first of an eight-part series called Policy Matters, based on Michael Sheldrick's newly released book From Ideas to Impact: A Playbook for Influencing and Implementing Change in a Divided World. Michael Sheldrick is the Co-Founder of Global Citizen and has worked with a range of stakeholders to distribute over $40 billion around the world in the past decade to end extreme poverty. In t...

A Vision of a Thousand Lights by Heather Cetrangolo 17.05.2024

This is a time capsule, where Heather shares her 'vision of victory' for Systemic Renewal, as it came to her on an ordinary day, in her study.

Prepare for Victory, with Brooklyn White 17.05.2024

This is the final of an eight-part series called Transition Plans: How to Transition Well. Change is something that happens as an external event or situation, whereas 'transition' is an inner, psychological process that people go through as they internalise and come to terms with change. This episode is with regular guest, Brooklyn White, Founder of Renewing Hope Agency, Canada. Heather and Brookl...

Ambition Without Naivety, with Brooklyn White 16.05.2024

This is the seventh of an eight-part series called Transition Plans: How to Transition Well. Change is something that happens as an external event or situation, whereas 'transition' is an inner, psychological process that people go through as they internalise and come to terms with change. This episode is with regular guest, Brooklyn White, Founder of Renewing Hope Agency, Canada. Heather and Broo...

Transitions in Long-Term Relationships 02.05.2024

This is the sixth of an eight-part series called Transition Plans: How to Transition Well. Change is something that happens as an external event or situation, whereas 'transition' is an inner, psychological process that people go through as they internalise and come to terms with change. Based on William Bridges' groundbreaking work in Transitions: Making Sense of Life's Changes, this series unpac...

Transitioning Leadership: Who Leads and How with Ignacio Packer 28.04.2024

This is the fifth of an eight-part series called Transition Plans: How to Transition Well. Change is something that happens as an external event or situation, whereas 'transition' is an inner, psychological process that people go through as they internalise and come to terms with change. This episode is with special guest, Ignacio Packer, Executive Director of Initiatives of Change, Caux Foundatio...

Life Transitions for Organisations 18.04.2024

This is the fourth of an eight-part series called Transition Plans: How to Transition Well. Change is something that happens as an external event or situation, whereas 'transition' is an inner, psychological process that people go through as they internalise and come to terms with change. Based on William Bridges' groundbreaking work in Transitions: Making Sense of Life's Changes, this series unpa...

Transitions in Work: Networks, Branding and Imposter Syndrome 15.04.2024

This is the third of an eight-part series called Transition Plans: How to Transition Well. This week features again special guest, Shivani Gopal, passionate feminist and the Founder and CEO of Elladex. Heather connects the themes in Shivani's practical experience of supporting women to transition into senior leadership with William Bridge's theories about how to transition well at work. The episod...

Rebirth with Shivani Gopal 04.04.2024

This is the second of an eight-part series called Transition Plans: How to Transition Well. This week is with special guest Shivani Gopal, passionate feminist and the Founder and CEO of Elladex. Get ready for an intimate journey with Shivani into her experience of rebirth. She and Heather unearth the heart-experience of braving an end to destructive attachments and relationships, grieving the asso...

The Secret Sauce to Transitioning Well 30.03.2024

This is the first of an eight-part series called Transition Plans: How to Transition Well. Change is something that happens as an external event or situation, whereas 'transition' is an inner, psychological process that people go through as they internalise and come to terms with change. Based on William Bridges' groundbreaking work in Transitions: Making Sense of Life's Changes, this series unpac...

Good Apples and Bad Apples 23.03.2024

This is the final of a six-part series about the practice in Systemic Renewal called 'Following Favour.' An often neglected aspect of systemic change is the 'who' question. How do you get the right people on the bus and the wrong people off the bus? In this final episode, Heather ties the topic together and draws from Jim Collins' research, highlighting how to avoid biting into a poisoned apple. S...

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