Heather Cetrangolo
Never Too Far Gone
Heather Cetrangolo is the creator of Systemic Renewal, a methodology for rebuilding broken systems. Never Too Far Gone is her weekly podcast about the practice of Systemic Renewal and the research behind it. Having spent twenty years developing this kind of leadership in legal practice, community development, education and as an Anglican priest, Heather has now designed an evidence-based approach to rebuilding broken systems, whether in corporate, NFP or government sectors. The podcast is designed to provide a weekly guided reflection for leaders of change to be inspired and intentional in the...
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Oct 6, 2025
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Episodes
Your Purpose Can Change with Elisha O'Dowd 15.03.2024 23:00
This week's podcast in the Following Favour series is with Elisha O'Dowd, a Renewalist, a Nurse and Effectiveness and Outcomes Manager at CLEO, an organisation designing digital care pathways and using the latest technology and research to improve patient outcomes. Elisha shares her journey into nursing, management in emergency departments and now into leading systemic change within health care. E...
You Actually Love the System with Brooklyn White 06.03.2024 31:13
This week's podcast in the Following Favour series is with Brooklyn White, a Renewalist, Social Worker and Founder of Renewing Hope Agency, Canada. Brooklyn shares her story of being drawn to macro-level change, why it can be lonely being that person in the system, and the secret she discovered that frustration and disappointment for Renewalists, comes from "actually loving the system." We suggest...
Group Work That Doesn't Suck 28.02.2024 30:03
This is the third of a six-part series about a practice in Systemic Renewal called 'Following Favour.' An often neglected aspect of systemic change is the 'who' question. How do you get the right people on the bus and the wrong people off the bus? In this episode, Heather draws from Jim Collin's research to unpack how to gather the right people in the right way to make group work effective (and fu...
We Don't Need Another Hero 21.02.2024 27:39
This is the second of a six-part series about a practice in Systemic Renewal called 'Following Favour.' An often neglected aspect of systemic change is the 'who' question. How do you get the right people on the bus and the wrong people off the bus? In this episode, Heather draws from Jim Collin's research to unpack why starting small and slow wins the day. She describes what research reveals are k...
Who Are Your People? 16.02.2024 32:45
This is the first of a six-part series about a practice in Systemic Renewal called 'Following Favour.' An often neglected aspect of systemic change is the 'who' question. How do you get the right people on the bus and the wrong people off the bus? Heather draws from Jim Collin's research which shows that 'who' questions come before 'what' questions, and shares from her own experience how to tell w...
The Method (Part 2) 07.02.2024 21:11
Heather shares the second of the Four Methods that encompass Systemic Renewal as a practice. This episode outlines why changing mindsets is fundamental to effecting lasting systemic change and why we need training in the science of how to do this. We currently live in a world that tries to change mindsets by changing personnel, policy and conversations. These are secondary outcomes of deeper chang...
The Method (Part 1) 24.01.2024 28:48
Heather shares the first two of the Four Methods that encompass Systemic Renewal as a practice. This episode outlines why changing mindsets is fundamental to effecting lasting systemic change and why we need training in the science of how to do this. We currently live in a world that tries to change mindsets by changing personnel, policy and conversations. These are secondary outcomes of deeper ch...
The Mountain, The Table, The Green Room and The Stage 20.12.2023 31:34
Heather the Four Modes of Leadership that encompass Systemic Renewal. She terms these the Mountain, the Table, the Green Room and the Stage. She shares how effective change leaders move in and out of these modes in balanced and intentional ways, and once they get this right, specific methods for effecting change can be released effectively.
How to Keep Burning in a Cold Hearted System 07.12.2023 29:32
Heather answers a question about how to stay burning when serious setbacks and discouragements happen. This episode offers three tips and a guided reflection about how to metabolise experiences of feeling comprised or betrayed. First, acknowledge what was plain unfair. Second, assign oneself a grieving period. Third, repurpose disappointment so that it becomes a resource in the rebuilding process....
Software Change Isn’t Soft 29.11.2023 28:31
Heather introduces Systemic Renewal, a methodology for changing the software and hardware of systems. She explains that changing software isn't soft, but practical, measurable, brave and sophisticated work. Heather introduces three reasons why changing mindsets can feel lightweight or fluffy, and four methods that make it not so.
A Disrupted Narrative, a Dilapidated Space and a Disillusioned Corporate 23.11.2023 25:02
In this first episode of Never Too Far Gone, Heather shares the personal story that started her journey towards becoming a 'Renewalist' and theorising Systemic Renewal. It begins with discovering an unlikely thirteenth century change leader, who began his journey in a 'Dilapidated Space.' This podcast offers you half an hour to be renewed in your own practice, and consider the experiences of Disru...
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