CBE International
Mutuality Matters
The Mutuality Matters podcast is now part of CBE International’s online library of free resources! New hosts join the CBE Mutuality Matters team to offer weekly conversations with leaders, pastors, authors, scholars, activists, and humanitarians on women, men, equality, and the Bible. CBE International (Christians for Biblical Equality) advances the gospel by equipping women and men of all cultures, races, and classes to lead and serve as equals. Founded in 1989, CBE has supporters and ministry partners in over 100 denominations and 65 countries, and offers annual conferences, adult and youth...
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Apr 24, 2026
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Episodes
(Home, Church, and World) How Church Movements Go from Freeing to Restricting Women with Dr. Joy Qualls 08.11.2024 35:31
This episode is a part of a new segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. In this segment we discuss headship theology––dynamics of power, authority, and gender, and how they function in Christian homes, the local church and society as a whole. We’re joined by Dr. Joy Qualls, professor at Biola University and author of God Forgive us for Being Women, to discuss the b...
(Women and Words) What is the most mistranslated Bible verse about women? with Dr. Hélène Dallaire 01.11.2024 37:18
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, “Women and Words: Bible Translation and Why it Matters,” Dr. Helene Dallaire, who holds a PhD in Hebraic and Cognate Studies and serves as the Earl S. Callen Professor of Old Testament and Semitic Languages at Denver Seminary. This episode touches on the most mistranslated verse in Scripture, prophetesses in the Old and New Testament, Genesis 1 and 2, and more...
(Side by Side) How to Shape an Irresistible Egalitarian Church Culture with Rev. Lisa Johnson 25.10.2024 39:55
What could it look like to build an egalitarian culture in our churches and organizations? In this episode, Rev. Lisa Johnson, executive director of leadership formation for the ECO denomination, joins Layla and Rob to discuss culture change through proactively inviting women into leadership, doggedly pursuing the 30 percent rule, and being intentional about representation. Beyond her many practic...
(Home, Church, and World) Penny Preaches with Amy and Rob Dixon 18.10.2024 33:01
This episode is a part of a new segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. In this segment we discuss headship theology––dynamics of power, authority, and gender, and how they function in Christian homes, the local church and society as a whole. We’re joined by Amy and Rob Dixon who have co-authored the children’s book Penny Preaches and joined us to discuss their boo...
(Global Impact) Women and Peace in the Holy Lands with Dr. Salim Munayer 11.10.2024 36:26
In this episode, Mimi Haddad and Kim Dickson interview Dr. Salim Munayer about his work on reconciliation in the Holy Lands. During the first half of the interview, he describes the steps involved in difficult reconciliations. In the second half of the interview, he discusses Jesus’s counter-cultural inclusion of women and their necessary inclusion in creating a lasting peace in the world. Gues...
Women and Words: Examining Different Translations with Dr. Hélène Dallaire 04.10.2024 38:45
In this episode, Dr. Hélène Dallaire joins the discussion on biblical translation biases and the importance of accurately reflecting women in Scripture. The conversation covers how English readers can detect biases, the significance of diverse translation teams, and the dangers of relying on one translation alone. Dr. Dallaire emphasizes the need for critical examination of key passages on women,...
(Women in Scripture and Christian History) The Free Methodist Church and the Silencing of Women with Dr. Christy Mesaros-Winckles 27.09.2024 21:52
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, Christy Mesaros-Winckles traces women’s ordination and leadership in the Free Methodist Church. Highlighting three women evangelists, and a key ally in their efforts to attain ordination, Mesaros-Winckles traces shift of the Free Methodist Church from very inclusive to exclusive. Mesaros-Winckles speaks to the power of the messages people absorbed as society s...
(Home, Church, and World) Addressing Sexism in the Church with Dr. Heather Matthews 20.09.2024 28:55
This episode is a part of a new segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. In this segment we discuss headship theology––dynamics of power, authority, and gender, and how they function in Christian homes, the local church and society as a whole. We’re joined by the Rev. Dr. Heather Matthews, program manager for the Doctor of Ministry program at Wheaton College Graduat...
(Women and Words) How do we transcend a Western perspective in Translation? with Dr. Hélène Dallaire 06.09.2024 35:57
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, “Women in Words: Bible Translation and Why it Matters,” Dr. Helene Dallaire, who holds a PhD in Hebraic and Cognate Studies and serves as the Earl S. Callen Professor of Old Testament and Semitic Languages at Denver Seminary, shares insights on the complexities of Bible translation, the importance of cultural sensitivity, and women in biblical scholarship. She...
(Home, Church, and World) A Pentecostal Response to Headship Theology with Dr. Mark Chironna 16.08.2024 32:24
This episode is a part of the Home, Church, and World theme of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. In this episode we discuss dynamics of power, authority, and gender, and how they function in Christian homes, the local church and society. We’re joined by Dr. Mark Chironna, who is a Pentecostal bishop, semiotician, and founding pastor of Church on the Living Edge in Longw...
(Women and Words) Context and Canon: Women's Leadership in Biblical Translation with Rev. Dr. Marlon Winedt 09.08.2024 32:44
In this episode of Mutuality Matters the discussion focuses on how Bible translation can impact understanding and implementation of biblical equality. The episode explores the complexities translators face working with Hebrew, Greek, and other languages, and the importance of context in interpreting passages that have historically been used to limit women's roles. It highlights the need for study...
(Women in Scripture and History) Bringing Phoebe and Junia to Life with Dr. Nijay Gupta 19.07.2024 48:15
In this episode, Kim Dickson talks with Dr. Nijay Gupta about the New Testament women he highlights in his Book Tell Her Story: How Women Led, Taught, and Ministered in the Early Church. Women who are little known to the average contemporary Christian come alive as Nijay discusses the world in which these remarkable women lived, served, and suffered on behalf of Jesus. Nijay describes the importan...
(Home, Church, and World) Empowering Women Leaders in the Black Church with Petra and Garry Scott 12.07.2024 30:27
This episode is a part of a new segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. In this segment we discuss headship theology—dynamics of power, authority, and gender, and how they function in Christian homes, the local church and society as a whole. We’re joined by Petra and Garry Scott, leaders of the ministry The Road to Jerusalem. In this episode they discuss headship i...
(Women and Words) Bible Translation in Global Perspective with Rev. Dr. Marlon Winedt 05.07.2024 30:09
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, Rev. Dr. Marlon Winedt shows how the biblical narratives often oppose oppressive cultural practices. Examples include Mary and Mary who are portrayed as disciples. Jesus does not scold them for sitting at his feet versus feeding the disciples. Further, throughout Scripture, women are often subjects and not objects of leadership and discipleship. Consider Prisc...
(Side by Side) Navigating Egalitarian Theology with Dr. Jeff Liou 21.06.2024 26:13
What could it look like for leaders to help their people embrace and embody a robust egalitarian conviction? “Emerging egalitarian” Dr. Jeff Liou, InterVarsity’s National Director of Theological Formation, joins Layla and Rob to reflect on his own journey with egalitarianism, and he offers a compelling picture of a theological formation process marked by humility, curiosity, deep community, and th...
(Home, Church, and World) Beyond Headship Dysfunction: Best Practices in Co-Pastoring a Church with Michele and Mark Benson 14.06.2024 31:58
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, hosts Tara and Todd Korpi welcome Pastors Mark and Michelle Benson, co-lead pastors from Dothan Assembly in Alabama. Mark and Michelle share their journey of co-pastoring, highlighting the biblical call for gender equality in leadership. They discuss the challenges and growth experienced in their ministry, the importance of recognizing each other's strengths,...
(Women and Words) Challenges and Joys in Bible Translation with Dr. Marlon Winedt 06.06.2024 59:11
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, host Mimi Haddad welcomes Dr. Marlon Winedt, a seasoned Bible translator, theologian, and philosopher. Dr. Winedt shares his vast experience in Bible translation, particularly his work with the Common Language Papiamintu Bible and assisting translation teams across the Caribbean and the Americas. He discusses the joys of translating the Bible into local langua...
(Home, Church, and World) What is Headship Theology? Part 2 with Andrew Bartlett and Terran Williams 16.05.2024 21:36
This second installment of a two-part episode is a part of a new segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. We’re joined by Andrew Bartlett and Terran Williams, two biblical teachers who have written extensively on women and the church. In this episode, Andrew and Terran discuss the concept of the 'tiebreaker rule' in marriage and argue for a mutualist perspective tha...
(Women and Words) Marriage in the Greco-Roman World in Translation with Dr. Roy Ciampa 02.05.2024 37:58
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, hosted by CBE International, Dr. Roy Ciampa discusses the significance of Bible translation and its impact on women worldwide. As a seasoned Bible translator and professor, Dr. Ciampa highlights how translations can shape perceptions of gender roles, stressing the importance of considering cultural contexts to avoid perpetuating patriarchal interpretations. He...
(Home, Church, and World) What is Headship Theology? Part 1 with Andrew Bartlett and Terran Williams 18.04.2024 30:14
This two-part episode is the first in a new segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. In this segment we discuss headship theology––dynamics of power, authority, and women and men, and how they function in Christian homes, the local church and society as a whole. We’re joined by Andrew Bartlett and Terran Williams, two biblical teachers who have written extensively o...
(Women and Men Leading Together) What’s Next? Answering Your Questions with Layla and Rob 11.04.2024 30:24
This episode begins with news! Layla and Rob’s podcast thread is changing, from a solitary focus on how mixed-gender ministry partnerships work in the field to a wider discussion about how egalitarians can practically engage not just interpersonal dynamics, but systems, theology, culture, and more. And the best guests to talk about this shift? Layla and Rob! Join the hosts as they answer listener-...
(Women and Words) Exploring Women’s Biblical Equality Through Bible Translation with Dr. Roy Ciampa 04.04.2024 42:50
This episode of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by CBE International, features Dr. Roy Ciampa, the S. Lewis and N. W. Armstrong Professor of Religion at Samford University in Birmingham, Alabama. Dr. Ciampa discusses the significance of Bible translation in promoting women’s biblical equality, his background as a missionary, professor, and Bible translator, and the process translation teams...
(Intersectionality) Telling Her Story through Allyship and Agency with Rev. Dwayne Jackson 30.03.2024 43:40
Sit down this week with hosts Angela and Liz as they chat with Rev. Dwayne Jackson. Rev. Jackson shares his expertise about working with the Reformed Church of America and how the stories from his fellow sisters in ministry catapulted his everyday practice of mutuality. He also describes his love for those at the margins and his pastoral position as he pastors alongside his wife as equals. Tune in...
(Women in Scripture and History) Esther, Mutuality, and the Gospel with Dr. Karen H. Jobes 22.03.2024 44:46
In this episode, Kim Dickson and Amber Burgess interview Dr. Karen H. Jobes about Esther. As a lifetime teaching professor, Dr. Jobes skillfully explains the academic complexities of Esther in a way that brings her listeners along to understand the significance of Esther’s story in the broader canon. She describes how Mordechai’s challenge to Esther that she is in her position “for such a time as...
(Women and Words) Translation Bias and How to Read the Bible Well with Dr. Roy Ciampa 08.03.2024 39:42
Dr. Ciampa explores the complexity of Bible translation, through his experiences both as a translator and professor of Bible translation, working beside translation teams worldwide. He considers both challenges and opportunities facing translation teams given the limited resources of translators in the majority world in contrast to the wealth of the minority world and its capacity, therefore, to i...
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