Messy Social Work

Messy Social Work

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Welcome to the Messy Social Work podcast. The hosts are Richard Devine and Tim Fisher.  Check out our website here: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

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Messy Social Work

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Latest episode

Jul 7, 2026

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Episodes

Ian Thomas, Tedx Speaker, Care Experienced Social Worker on addiction 24.01.2025

This episode explores the profound complexities of addiction, trauma, and recovery, featuring the deeply personal and inspiring journey of guest Ian Thomas, a social worker and speaker with lived experience of addiction and healing. In this conversation, we cover: Understanding Addiction and Trauma Drawing from Gabor Maté’s In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts, the discussion highlights addiction as a re...

Vicki Shevlin from Social Work Sorted on Supporting newly qualified social workers 17.01.2025

In this episode, Tim Fisher and Rich Devine kick off 2025 with reflections on personal and professional goals, recent events, and an inspiring conversation with guest Vicki Shevlin, creator of Social Work Sorted . The discussion explores social work practice, personal growth, and the profession’s challenges.    Key Highlights:         1.  Personal Reflections and Goals:           •Rich emphasizes...

Rich and Tim on the courage to be disliked 20.12.2024

Links: Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/ Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/ Tim Fisher LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/ Rich Devine LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/  

Becca Carr Hopkins (ISW and attachment expert) on attachment and the use of self in social work 13.12.2024

 In this episode, Tim Fisher and Rich Devine are joined by Becca Carr-Hopkins for a powerful conversation about use of self, attachment theory, and the transformative power of relationships in social work practice.  Becca shares her journey into social work, insights on adapting to challenging environments, and how understanding attachment can unlock deeper connections with families. Rich reflects...

Rich and Tim on how to create organisational and systemic change in social work 06.12.2024

 Links:  Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/ Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/ Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/ Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/ 

Rich, Tim and Lee Crouch (parent with lived experience) on how to assess a parents capacity to change 29.11.2024

The podcast focuses on two main themes: assessing capacity to change in social work and a parent’s personal journey through the child protection system.  Part 1: Assessing Capacity to Change  Rich Devine shares insights from his 14 years in social work, focusing on the challenges of evaluating a parent’s capacity to change within child protection contexts.            1.       Challenges in Assessi...

Rich and Tim on the why, what and how of Family Group Conferences 22.11.2024

Tim's article:  https://ore.exeter.ac.uk/repository/bitstream/handle/10871/138533/bernheim-et-al-2024-the-power-and-potential-of-space-and-place-in-family-group-conferencing-reimagining-the-role-of-the.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y  We hope you enjoyed this episode, please do contact us and share your reflections. If you have any questions or topics you would like us to explore, do get in to...

Renata (Newly Qualified Social Work in Child Protection, East Sussex) on small acts that make a big difference as a social worker 13.11.2024

Tim Fisher and Rich Devine kick off with reflections on culture and connection, inspired by recent experiences, including Rich’s first trip to the theatre to watch Les Misérables. They discuss the profound impact of stories and how creative expressions like theatre offer fresh perspectives on justice, empathy, and the challenges of human connection. The episode’s highlight is a conversation with R...

Rich and Tim on ideas for social workers who feel ‘stuck’ or overwhelmed 08.11.2024

In this week’s episode of the Relational Activism and Social Work Podcast, Tim Fisher and Rich Devine dive into strategies for social workers when feeling “stuck” in cases, especially in longstanding family dynamics where change can be elusive. Rich introduces a framework for recognizing situational and psychological denial in families, exploring the defensive mechanisms that arise in challenging...

Care Experienced Activist, Terri-Anne Hamer on growing up in care, shame and healing 31.10.2024

In this episode of Relational Activism in Social Work, hosts Tim Fisher and Rich Devine are joined by Terri-Anne Hamer, a care-experienced activist, who shares her powerful journey of overcoming intergenerational challenges and finding her voice within the care community. Terri-Anne reflects on her unique path, discussing her experiences as a third-generation care-experienced individual, her role...

Rich and Tim on top tips for direct Work with children and insights from Maya Angelou 25.10.2024

In this episode, Rich kicks things off by admitting his secret fuel: a double-double coffee (that's double strength, double shot!)—the only thing that kept him going through late nights in child protection. He then dives into his approach to direct work with children, sharing insights that go beyond caffeine-fuelled energy.  We’re also treated to a voice note from social worker and TEDx speak...

Rich and Tim on how to write analysis in assessments 18.10.2024

In this episode, Rich and Tim explore the practicalities of analysis. Rich draws on his wealth of experiences and deep dives into analysis. Tim showcases his podcasting skills with an expertly timed musical interlude, which allows Tim and Rich to transition smoothly to talk about the Relational Activism Manifesto. Finally, we say goodbye before concluding with an Eckart Tolle quote—no, wait, we th...

Toni Mayo (Team Manager of Family Placement Team, BANES) on how to support Kinship Carers; What social workers need to know 11.10.2024

In this episode we speak with Team Manager of a Family Placement Team, Toni Mayo. She talked about:   - Different types of kindship care arrangements  - How LA's can improve their support for Kinship Carers  - How Social workers can support Kinship Carers Tim shares his experience of attending the Kempe Conference, and learning about the Family Finding Model developed by Kevin Campbell, and f...

Parent and Relational Activist, Kar-Man shares her lived experience of social work involvement 04.10.2024

In this episode, we speak to the brilliant and wonderful, Kar-Man. She generously and articulately shares her story and experience of social workers engaging with her.  We talk about Kinship Care Week (07th -014th October), referencing the following:  https://kinship.org.uk/get-involved/kinship-care-week/ https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/championing-kinship-care-national-kinship-care-str...

Rich and Tim on storytelling in social work and parental engagement 27.09.2024

This week Tim Fisher and Rich Devine explore the role of story in social work and how we define parental engagement. 

An interview with social worker and author, Rhian Taylor (Ep.22) 20.04.2023

The link for Rhian Taylor's book is here:  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fosterboy-Rhian-Taylor/dp/183816202X https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/Fosterboy-by-Rhian-Taylor/9781838162023  The Gaps website article discussed is here - https://gaps.org.uk/how-to-make-a-social-worker-reflections-on-social-work-education/ E-mail for Rhian: Rhian.c.taylor@outlook.com BASW Child Protection Master Cl...

Typologies of domestic abuse (Ep.21) 04.04.2023

BASW Child Protection Master Class Series: https://www.basw.co.uk/basw-child-protection-masterclass-series Relational Activism Webinar Series: https://www.relationalactivism.com/upcoming Any questions please contact me on richdevinesocialwork@gmail.com Connect with me on: https://twitter.com/RichardDevineSW Follow my blog, where you can be sent fortnightly blogs on topics covered on this podcast:...

An interview with Rob Tucker: Effective Communication Skills with children (EP.20) 24.03.2023

This week I interview Rob Tucker, Director and Independent Social Work Consultant at RGT Training and Consultancy Ltd. He is one  of the most impressive and inspiring social workers I have met. I wish every social worker had the chance to learn from Rob about communication skills with children. In my view, he is unparalleled in his knowledge, skill and has an infectious passion for the work. If yo...

Critical Cause of Danger and Critical Cause of Change (EP. 19) 19.03.2023

BASW Child Protection Master Class Series: https://www.basw.co.uk/basw-child-protection-masterclass-series Relational Activism Webinar Series: https://www.relationalactivism.com/upcoming Any questions please contact me on richdevinesocialwork@gmail.com Connect with me on: https://twitter.com/RichardDevineSW Follow my blog, where you can be sent fortnightly blogs on topics covered on this podcast:...

12 lessons from 12 years on the frontline (EP.18) 10.03.2023

BASW Child Protection Master Class Series: https://www.basw.co.uk/basw-child-protection-masterclass-series Relational Activism Webinar Series: https://www.relationalactivism.com/upcoming Any questions please contact me on richdevinesocialwork@gmail.com Connect with me on: https://twitter.com/RichardDevineSW Follow my blog, where you can be sent fortnightly blogs on topics covered on this podcast:...

Working with neglect in child protection (EP.17) 28.02.2023

BASW Child Protection Master Class Series: https://www.basw.co.uk/basw-child-protection-masterclass-series Relational Activism Webinar Series: https://www.relationalactivism.com/upcoming Any questions please contact me on richdevinesocialwork@gmail.com Connect with me on: https://twitter.com/RichardDevineSW Follow my blog, where you can be sent fortnightly blogs on topics covered on this podcast:...

An interview with Vicki Shevlin, Social Work Sorted (EP.16) 23.02.2023

Vicki Shevlins website , podcast , and new, brilliant assessment guide BASW Child Protection Master Class Series: https://www.basw.co.uk/basw-child-protection-masterclass-series Relational Activism Webinar Series: https://www.relationalactivism.com/upcoming Any questions please contact me on richdevinesocialwork@gmail.com Connect with me on: https://twitter.com/RichardDevineSW Follow my blog, wher...

Common pitfalls and cogntive biases in child protection (Ep.15) 16.02.2023

BASW Child Protection Master Class Series: https://www.basw.co.uk/basw-child-protection-masterclass-series Any questions please contact me on richdevinesocialwork@gmail.com Connect with me on: https://twitter.com/RichardDevineSW Follow my blog, where you can be sent fortnightly blogs on topics covered on this podcast: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/ If you enjoyed this episode, please s...

Using power and authority in child protection practice (Ep.14) 08.02.2023

BASW Child Protection Master Class Series: https://www.basw.co.uk/basw-child-protection-masterclass-series Any questions please contact me on richdevinesocialwork@gmail.com Connect with me on: https://twitter.com/RichardDevineSW Follow my blog, where you can be sent fortnightly blogs on topics covered on this podcast: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/ If you enjoyed this episode, please s...

Principles for effective communication with children (EP.13) 31.01.2023

BASW Child Protection Master Class Series: https://www.basw.co.uk/basw-child-protection-masterclass-series Any questions please contact me on richdevinesocialwork@gmail.com Connect with me on: https://twitter.com/RichardDevineSW Follow my blog, where you can be sent fortnightly blogs on topics covered on this podcast: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/ If you enjoyed this episode, please s...

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