Cody Plofker, Connor MacDonald, and Connor Rolain
Marketing Operators
Some call it the greatest ecommerce podcast in existence. Behind three behemoth brands stand three juggernauts of the marketing world: Cody Plofker (CEO, Jones Road Beauty), Connor MacDonald (CMO, Ridge) & Connor Rolain (Head of Growth, HexClad). Finally, they’re pulling back the curtain to give you a never-before-seen look at what works and what doesn’t work to drive growth.
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Cody Plofker, Connor MacDonald, and Connor Rolain
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Jul 7, 2026
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Episodes
E056: Redefining Your Ad Creative Strategy and Maximizing Meta Performance 22.04.2025 1:18:38
In this episode, we break down what it actually means to define a high-performing ad creative strategy, and why doing so is essential to unlocking sustainable growth on Meta. We walk through Cody’s 10-point creative framework for shaping the ad strategy at Jones Road Beauty, diving into why creative should be treated as targeting, how to escape Meta’s “local maxima,” and how to feed the algorithm...
E055: Meta's Conversion Lift Testing, AI in Creative, and Product Seeding for Scalable Growth 15.04.2025 1:03:00
In this episode of Marketing Operators, we get into a mix of marketing topics that are top of mind for us this week, plus we answer a listener question from the MOperators Hotline. First, we break down Meta’s Conversion Lift Testing, including how it measures ad performance, its limitations, and when it’s most useful for your business. We also discuss how AI tools are revolutionising creative prod...
E054: From Product Drops to Post-Purchase Plays - Email Marketing with 'Email Is Not Dead' Author, Karly Craig 08.04.2025 1:16:49
Email marketing isn’t dead - but it can often be done better. Today we’re joined by Karly Craig, author of Email Is Not Dead and seasoned ecommerce operator, to talk about the email marketing strategies that actually drive revenue. Karly shares why most brands are underutilising flows, especially when it comes to welcome sequences and post-purchase emails, and how extending these can lead to signi...
E053: Our Takes on Saratoga's Viral Moment, Meta's Andromeda & AI's Role in Ad Creative 01.04.2025 1:14:28
Last week, a video featuring Saratoga water went viral - and the brand’s response, or lack thereof, got the ecom and marketing twitter world into a frenzy, with people calling them out for wasting a massive viral moment. We break down what we would’ve done as Saratoga’s CMO: how to respond to earned media moments, what brands should consider in viral situations, and how to quickly activate organic...
E052: How We Set KPIs, Structure Reporting and Run Meetings to Drive Results 25.03.2025 1:25:25
How do you set KPIs that actually drive results? And how do you structure reporting and meetings to keep your team aligned and effective? In this episode, we break down how we set, track, and adjust KPIs, how we use reporting to make smarter decisions, and how we run meetings that keep everyone accountable without wasting time. We discuss how transparency in reporting impacts performance, how to e...
E051: Why Meta Purchase Conversion Isn’t Enough - Rethinking Ad Optimization for Incremental Growth 18.03.2025 1:09:17
Scaling with Meta ads isn’t as simple as running purchase conversion campaigns anymore and as the platform evolves, marketers need new strategies to drive true incremental growth. Many brands are ealizing that Meta’s algorithm has shifted towards targeting people already in-market, making it harder to reach truly new customers at scale, leading to rising costs and diminishing returns. In this epis...
E050: Tecovasgate: Is This Growth Marketing? Plus Product Expansion, AI in Growth Measurement & More 11.03.2025 1:14:45
It’s a full house today with Cody back, and we’ve got a jam-packed episode - first up, the Tacovas Ad that’s got the marketing world talking - does brand marketing like this really drive growth? We discuss the line between long-term brand building and immediate performance results, and explore how top DTC brands are navigating that balance. We also get into how product expansion can be a game-chan...
E049: How Digital Product Fuels DTC Growth with Connor Dault 04.03.2025 1:11:21
This week, it’s a Connor Special as we’re joined by Connor Dault, VP of Growth & Digital Product at Caraway, to discuss the role of digital product in DTC growth and how it intersects with performance marketing, UX, and conversion. We dive into Caraway’s strategic response to HexClad’s Super Bowl ad, why digital product isn’t just CRO and how Caraway builds high-performing product experiences...
E048: Scaling with Affiliate Marketing: What’s Working for Leading DTC Brands, with Aaron Paul 25.02.2025 1:31:15
Today, we’re joined by Aaron Paul, founder of Paul Street, to explore how top DTC brands are leveraging affiliate marketing to drive massive growth - and where many go wrong. Aaron shares his insights from working with leading brands like Onnit, Goli Nutrition, and HelloFresh. We discuss what’s working in affiliate marketing today, why media-buying affiliates aren’t always the right fit (and when...
E047: Blending Brand Identity with Performance Marketing at the Highest Level 18.02.2025 1:16:08
HexClad just pulled off one of their biggest marketing plays so far - a Super Bowl Ad - but this wasn’t just about airing a commercial during the big game, it was a multi-layered, cross-platform campaign designed to maximize impact beyond a single TV spot. In this episode, Connor and Connor break down how the HexClad team made it happen, from choosing the right creative concept to executing an omn...
E046: Matt Bertulli: Is Meta Still Incremental? How Paid Media is Changing & Scaling Beyond Facebook Ads 11.02.2025 1:29:48
Today we are joined by a member of the Operators family, Matt Bertulli, CEO of Pela Case and Lomi, to talk all things marketing. Jumping off from Sean Frank’s tweet questioning if meta is still incremental , we get deep into the nuance of paid media and how it’s shifting, the increasing challenges of reaching new customers on Meta, and why the old playbooks don’t work anymore. We also discuss scal...
E045: Onboarding: How To Get The Best Out of Your New Hire from Day One 04.02.2025 1:10:25
Today we’re diving into the second part of our hiring series, this time focusing on onboarding and how to set up your new hires for success from day one. We discuss how to get the best out of your new hires as quickly as possible, how to integrate them seamlessly into your team and culture, some common onboarding issues and challenges we’ve experienced, and we break down our strategies, systems an...
E044: Hiring: How To Build and Structure Your Team For Success 28.01.2025 1:13:24
This week we’re talking hiring for high-growth ecommerce teams. We’re sharing insights on how to know when to hire, why buying back your time is essential for leadership, org chart design and how it evolves over time, and we share some real-life scenarios and challenges we’ve experienced when growing our teams. If you’re struggling with your team structure, planning your next strategic hire or loo...
E043: Creative Testing: Quality Vs Quantity - Does Chasing Volume Lead to Success? 21.01.2025 1:11:32
Today, we’re diving into one of the most hotly debated topics in performance marketing: creative testing volume. Should you prioritize scaling creative volume or focus on quality? In this episode, we share how we’re approaching creative testing, how our strategies have evolved over time, what we’re budgeting for creative, when more isn’t always better, and the costs of maximizing volume. We also e...
E042: Our 2025 DTC Predictions Review 15.01.2025 1:11:24
In this episode, Cody and Connor dive into the hottest DTC predictions for 2025, discussing everything from the rise and fall of AppLovin to the transformative impact of AI on customer experience and ad creative. They share their thoughts on outsourcing and the shift to global teams, the evolution and consolidation of SaaS tools, strategies for scaling with operational leverage in today’s competit...
E041: Influencer marketing strategy: how we’re product seeding, building partnerships & measuring EMV 07.01.2025 1:31:22
In this episode, we’re breaking down the influencer marketing strategies we’re using this year. From product seeding to scaling creator partnerships, we’re talking about EMV and how to measure it affectively, how to maximise spend on influencers for maximum ROI, and strategies for whitelisting, affiliate deals and paid creator partnerships. If you have a question for the MOperators Hotline, click...
E040: How Product Positioning and Post-Purchase Upsells Supercharge CRO with Shane Rostad 31.12.2024 1:13:10
It’s a full house today, and we’re joined by Shane Rostad to talk CRO. Shane’s recently launched his own brand as co-founder of Cheeky, a new creator-led brand that smashed its launch with 10k orders in its first month. In today’s ep we’re talking about brand positioning and messaging, how to drive LTV and boost AOV with strategic post-purchase upsells and CRO tactics to unlock sustainable growth....
E039: Scaling to $20M+ in 2 Years With a Team of Six: Dan McCormick of Create Wellness 24.12.2024 1:19:34
Today we are joined by Dan McCormick, co-founder and CEO of Create Wellness. Create went from zero to $20M+ in revenue in just two years with only six-full time employees, and today he’s sharing what those roles are and how he went about building his high-leverage DTC business. We discuss the power of positioning, agency vs. in-house teams, the future of supplement brands, team structure, retentio...
E038: Is AppLovin Living Up To The Hype & How We're Scaling Creative Partnerships 17.12.2024 1:07:33
Today we are getting into the hottest new ad channel in ecommerce right now - AppLovin . We discuss how we’ve been using it within our brands, the pros and the cons of this emerging channel, and whether it's a scalable alternative to Meta Ads. Cody shares results from his team's recent holdout test, breaking down AppLovin's impact on incremental sales, new vs. repeat customers, and CPAs. We also u...
E037: BFCM Debrief! The Marketing Strategies That Paid Off - And The Ones That Didn't 10.12.2024 1:08:07
With Black Friday and Cyber Monday behind us, we’re unpacking our results and looking at what went right, what went wrong and what lessons we learnt for this time next year. We talk about trends we’re seeing this holiday shopping season, meta performance, navigating inventory challenges, tactical pivots to clear inventory and boost sales, and how we’re transitioning into our holiday sales. Whether...
E036: Our Biggest Mistakes & Lessons Learnt This Year 03.12.2024 1:10:21
In today’s episode of Marketing Operators, we’re getting real about our biggest mistakes from the past year, and the lessons learnt from these. We cover why forecasting isn’t always straightforward, the importance of adjusting tactics quickly, the tricky balance of optimism versus realism in decision-making, and what it takes to scale sustainably in a tightening market. Tune in for a deep dive int...
E035: Black Friday Cyber Monday: How We'll Be Tracking, Analyzing & Maximizing Our Results 26.11.2024 1:18:23
Happy Black Friday week everyone! In today’s episode we are diving in on the day-to-day tactics and operations our teams will be using this weekend to optimize performance during one of the most crucial sales periods of the year - Black Friday and Cyber Monday. We’re discuss the shift from pre-sale planning to sale operations, covering our real-time data analysis plans, ad spend and budget allocat...
034: How To Launch New Channels and Identify Incremental Value In Your Ad Spend 19.11.2024 1:05:11
Today it’s the three of us back together! We’re talking about our approaches and playbooks for launching new marketing channels and our insights on what it takes to scale effectively. We cover strategies for choosing the right channels, establishing measurement frameworks, and how to determine when to invest heavily versus cautiously testing. 00:00 Introduction 05:46 Consumer Spending Expectations...
E033: Zach Stuck on the Core Marketing Tactics to Drive Growth As You Scale 12.11.2024 1:08:00
Today we are joined by Zach Stuck, founder of the growth marketing agency Homestead. He shares his insights on acquiring and launching brands, how to identify market trends, when's the right time to diversify into different ad channels, running a lean team, and he shares his advice on the key tactics for driving growth at each revenue band. One not to miss. 00:00 Introduction 06:04 Transitioning f...
E032: How To Balance Brand Memorability & ROI In Your Creative Ad Strategy with David Herrmann 05.11.2024 1:07:14
We’ve got a special guest today, David Herrmann is back, our first ever second time guest. We’re talking about what channels we’re scaling as we head into Q4, we talk about ad account builds, creating a memorable brand, we get deep into meta media buying and creative diversification and what that means for your ad account and lots more. 00:00 Introduction 06:04 Channel Diversification Strategies 1...
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