Legal Talk Network
Lunch Hour Legal Marketing
Are you hungry for more clients? Tired of wasting time (and money) on marketing that doesn’t work? This podcast serves up real-world tips and proven digital marketing strategies that actually drive results for law firms. Hosted by Gyi Tsakalakis and Conrad Saam—two legal marketing pros who’ve been in the trenches. You’ll get practical advice on client acquisition, website teardowns, and what’s actually working for lawyers today—all with a touch of mirth. Congratulations, you found it—THE podcast for lawyers who want to grow their practice! So, if you’re ready to take your business to the next...
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Jul 8, 2026
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Episodes
Marketing Attribution: Follow the Data or Trust Your Gut? 13.04.2022 38:09
Marketing’s not free. Is yours working? Conrad and Gyi dig into marketing attribution and how to ensure you’re spending wisely. Rand Fishkin’s new article claims “attribution is a boondoggle” and you should trust your gut, not a fancy attribution system (especially if you’re a smaller office). So, what’s going on? Can software track your marketing end-to-end process, from Google Ads to paying clie...
Ukraine, SEO Debate Club, and Questions from Techshow! 23.03.2022 39:17
Should you be hiring a SEO specialist for your firm, or is SEO dead? Also, millions of people are suffering as a result of the war in Ukraine. Is this an opportunity to market your law firm? Spoiler Alert: No. No, it is not — but the right answer for you may be more nuanced. The guys tackle these big subjects as well as answer questions from ABA TECHSHOW and the impending change to Google Analyt...
ABA TECHSHOW 2022: Solo and Small Firms in the Driver’s Seat 09.03.2022 22:23
The guys are back at the ABA TECHSHOW with F.O.P. Carolyn Elefant, the “Godmother of Solos.” They talk about what’s in and what’s out in the latest edition of her book, “Solo By Choice.” Also, there’s more legal tech and more competition for your legal dollar than ever. That means great things for small and solo firms. Do you want something custom for your practice? It might be worth it to just a...
Lawyers’ Super Bowl Advertising Playbook 23.02.2022 33:27
The Super Bowl isn’t just about football and bean dip, it’s about the ads! Join Conrad and Gyi as they explore an increasing trend in the legal industry - ads during The Big Game. But first, the guys challenge Kevin O’Keefe’s latest take on Advertising vs. Business Development. How do we distinguish between the two, which is better? Is there room for both reputation and relationship building? And...
LHLM 101: Customer Relationship Management (CRM) 09.02.2022 40:03
You’re spending money to attract potential clients, now take the next step to ensure every moment of that client experience is amazing from intake to follow-up. In a special LHLM 101 episode, Conrad and Gyi go deep into the mysterious world (well, not that mysterious) of Customer Relationship Management platforms, known as CRMs. Provide a better experience for your clients; analyze marketing data...
Online Legal Directories, Worth Your Time (And Dough)? 26.01.2022 35:52
Online Legal Directories can be useful tools for firms seeking to build visibility, increase traffic and attract clients. They may still provide value, but there are tricks and traps to avoid. Take a deep dive and hear how to ensure your marketing budget is well spent. And news: The University of Michigan reached a $490 million settlement over sexual abuse by the school’s former director of Health...
Conrad’s Crystal Ball Returns! 12.01.2022 35:53
Our 50th episode features a deep dive into 2021 legal marketing trends and a look ahead at 2022. First, news: With a million new COVID infections nationwide, ALM’s New York Legalweek conference has been postponed to March 8-11. And a report on significant changes to Google’s vicinity advertising algorithm that may affect your firm. Gyi and Conrad also discuss interesting statistics from Justia’s a...
Firm Planning and A Year In Review 22.12.2021 28:10
The end of the year means the start of new opportunities for next year. It’s time to think about business metrics, what you’ve learned, and how to build on that. It’s never too late to start planning ahead. Conrad and Gyi talk about ways to look back not just on last year’s revenue, profitability, retention, but also on team health, team building, and trust. What can you do better? Plus, the guys...
Dean Goldman Round 2: Section 230, Keyword Bidding, Reviews, and … Emojis? 08.12.2021 39:50
Are you working outside the law and ethical boundaries of Google Business functions? Or are competitors passing you by? Law practice marketing is one of the Internet’s roughest neighborhoods. Google has the tools, but what are the guardrails, and how does Section 230 dictate how far you – or your competitors – can go? Guest Eric Goldman, co-director of the High Tech Law Institute at Santa Clara U...
Section 230 and Google My Business 24.11.2021 33:13
How important are online reviews, and what can you do about them? Guest Eric Goldman, legal scholar and expert, explains the intersection of Section 230 and the ethics of online reviews. Tune in next time for part 2 of the conversation. And Thanksgiving is a time to remind your clients you appreciate them. In a segment dubbed “Crappy Holiday Promotions,” Conrad and Gyi share thoughts on holiday se...
Solos v. Google: The Struggle Is Real 10.11.2021 34:39
If it seems like Google favors big firms – with big dollars – over small or solo legal practices, that’s because it does. With an eye on Google My Business (“GMB”) practices, the guys examine a retro approach to marketing that may end-run Google dominance. Guest Carolyn Elefant joins Conrad and Gyi to talk about getting back to basics: rethinking billing practices, and how networking and focusing...
Special Bonus Episode: The Award Industry and the Constraints for Legal Marketing 03.11.2021 31:12
It's a special bonus episode. Recently, Conrad appeared on the long running program Lawyer 2 Lawyer and he had loads of fun, so we decided to run it for you here. If you like what you hear, be sure to subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer. --------- Many attorneys have received an offer of an award recognizing them as a distinguished lawyer in your city or state. Perhaps the message, coming as an email or...
Top Ten Tales of Marketing Terror 27.10.2021 36:23
In a special Halloween edition, Conrad and Gyi share their top 10 legal marketing horror stories. Are you dragging your practice to an early grave with some of these? Long-term marketing agency contracts? Renting instead of owning your website and domain name? Misunderstanding web traffic data and metrics? Or––dun dun duh––Letting Phone Calls Go Unanswered (even if you think you’ve hired a reputab...
“Fascinating Stuff, This Pricing” (Can We Talk About It?) 13.10.2021 31:59
Conrad and Gyi take on the elephant in the courtroom. Clio’s Legal Trend Report shows us potential clients are interested in both pricing and payment plans, but as lawyers, we’re reluctant to go there. Why? Explore options on how you can better position yourself. Are you less expensive than the competition? More efficient? A better value? Dig into the marketing opportunities that make you special...
Hello, Erin Levine of Hello Divorce! 22.09.2021 46:23
Erin Levine, founder of Hello Divorce, joins Conrad and Gyi to explain how her innovative tech platform streamlines and demystifies the divorce process for clients while allowing lawyers to practice law – not schedule appointments, manage clients, and waste time with administrative tasks. Entrusting basic drafting, scheduling, and filing work to a robot, though, does have one obvious conclusion––...
LHLM 101: Positioning vs. Branding 08.09.2021 36:24
We know you’re a lawyer, so what? That’s not enough. What makes you stand out? Gyi and Conrad share tips on making your practice stand out in a country awash in lawyers. Know the difference between simple branding and real positioning. Also, a BIG change is coming to Google searches. It’s driving SEO specialists nuts. Plus, new findings from Clio show the importance of marketing your tech capabil...
Competing Against the Walmart of Legal 25.08.2021 30:40
Pop quiz: Which LHLM hosts earned early paychecks running a paper route, and which pumped gas? Gyi and Conrad discuss their early forays into working life. Then, Gyi and Conrad then wade into the dispute between the North Carolina Bar Association and Google over Google’s recording of phone calls related to ad leads. In the recurring segment, “Dear State Bar Regulators,” Gyi lists the pros and cons...
Bad Reviews and the Marketing Vacuum 11.08.2021 29:44
As venture capital investment continues to sweep the legal market (and our news segment), Gyi and Conrad celebrate the $2 million seed round funding for Hello Divorce. Yay! In the segment, “Dumb Sh*t Lawyers Do,” the two discuss the case of a lawyer reprimanded for raking an unhappy client over the coals. They also discuss a Streisand Effect case in which a roofing company sued a couple because of...
Being Tangibly Awesome & Other Ways to Get Referrals 28.07.2021 33:39
Providing remarkable service is a no-brainer when it comes to earning a steady stream of referrals. It’s so basic that Gyi and Conrad aren’t even counting it in their lists of ways to get referrals. So what other methods are you probably overlooking? For one: give referrals. No one said it better than Paul McCartney in a classic SNL interview with Chris Farley, “The more you give, the more you get...
LHLM 101: Pay-Per-Click 14.07.2021 42:10
Professors Gyi and Conrad teach us about the ABCs of CPCs, then appeal to bar leaders to revisit anti-competitive ad rules. Special thanks to our sponsors Alert Communications, LexisNexis® InterAction®, LawYaw and Clio.
Pricing to Get Hired: Bridging the Gap Between Lawyers & Clients 23.06.2021 45:02
Gyi and Conrad reassure that the sky isn’t falling despite the latest SEO panic and explore pricing controversies with F.O.P. George Psiharis. Special thanks to our sponsors Alert Communications, LexisNexis® InterAction®, LawYaw and Clio.
Bedlam Breakdown: Tactical Takeaways 09.06.2021 32:24
Gyi and Conrad cherry-pick tips from the Bedlam legal marketing conference, cover Apple’s privacy push, and talk the dos and definite don’ts when recognizing holidays. Special thanks to our sponsors Alert Communications, LexisNexis® InterAction®, LawYaw and Clio.
Turning Around a One-Star Review 24.05.2021 36:50
Gyi and Conrad preview their Bedlam legal marketing conference and talk through the dos and don’ts of responding to one-star reviews. Special thanks to our sponsors Alert Communications, LexisNexis® InterAction®, LawYaw and Clio.
Top 5 Metrics For Your Law Firm 12.05.2021 43:00
Gyi and Conrad count down the top five metrics law firms need to care about most/least. Special thanks to our sponsor Alert Communications, LexisNexis® InterAction®, LawYaw and Clio.
Conversion Confusion Cleared Up 14.04.2021 47:01
Gyi and Conrad hash out the controversy over ‘conversions’ and debate the merits of fast, cheap, and quality. Special thanks to our sponsor Alert Communications, LexisNexis® InterAction®, LawYaw and Clio.
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