Stephen and Lori Saux
If We Knew Then - Down Syndrome Podcast
We are Stephen and Lori Saux and welcome to the If We Knew Then Podcast. We are parents of two children and one of them has Down Syndrome, Liam. When Liam was born we didn’t know very much about Down Syndrome and most of the information we did have didn’t seem very hopeful and positive. Well this podcast aims to share honest and useful conversations about supports, therapies, education and society as it pertains to Down Syndrome advocacy and parenting.
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Jul 6, 2026
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Episodes
154. Revisiting Our Interview with Megyn Price 28.08.2023 1:11:45
This is our conversation with actress Megyn Price to discuss inclusion, the importance of encouraging others to express their uniqueness and how her Uncle, who had Down syndrome, affected her family in a positive way. Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2023/08/27/154-revisiting-our-interview-with-megyn-price/2/ Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop...
153. Revisiting Jad Issa’s Story: A Man with Down Syndrome Raises a Family - An Interview with Sader Issa 21.08.2023 45:22
This week we revisit the story of Jad Issa, a man with Down Syndrome who is a husband, father and respected citizen. At diagnosis, parents of children with Down syndrome are immediately told all the things their child won’t do. Jad’s life shows us that these preconceptions aren’t only untrue but the very belief in them often cause limitations. As with every child, all things are possible. We hope...
152. Revisiting The Canadian Down Syndrome Society’s Project Understood - Training Speech Recognition Technology 14.08.2023 57:53
This episode is the entire conversation we had with Matt MacNeil and Ed Casagrande from the Canadian Down Syndrome Society concerning their collaboration with Google AI to create a database that can help train Google’s speech recognition technology to better understand people with Down syndrome. Donate your voice at: https://projectunderstood.ca Learn more about the CDSS: https://cdss.ca Episode T...
151. The New York City Buddy Walk and Times Square Video with Abby Brandon-Livits and Misty Adams 07.08.2023 54:44
This week we are joined by Abby Brandon-Livits and Misty Adams from the National Down Syndrome Society to talk about the 2023 NYC Buddy Walk and it’s wonderful Times Square Video presentation that redefines the image of the Down syndrome community. NYC Buddy Walk website: https://give.ndss.org/event/2023-new-york-city-buddy-walk-r/e478474 National Down Syndrome Society: www. NDSS.org FaceBook: htt...
150. Down Syndrome Research, Ableism and The Right To Just Be with Dr. Eric Rubenstein 31.07.2023 1:34:05
Today we're joined again by Dr. Eric Rubenstein, an Assistant Professor of Epidemiology at Boston University School of Public Health. Eric is a researcher, a volunteer for the Special Olympics and a lifelong advocate of individuals with Down syndrome. This conversation is a round table discussion of change and evolution, progress and insights that we feel so fortunate to be able to share with each...
149. Down Syndrome and Alzheimer’s Research with Dr. Tom Mahan 24.07.2023 1:27:03
Today we're joined by Dr. Tom Mahan, who specializes in Alzheimer’s research with a focus on individuals with Down syndrome. Tom is a father of three boys and his oldest son, Teddy, has down syndrome which is what sparked him into taking his already existing research of Alzheimer’s and guiding it to a focus on individuals with Down syndrome. ABC-DS: https://www.nia.nih.gov/research/abc-ds NIH INC...
148. RODS Heroes - Our Interview with Brady Murray 17.07.2023 1:15:56
This week we visit with Brady Murray of RODS Heroes, an organization meant to inspire families to answer the call to adopt children born with Down syndrome and other special abilities. Brady and his wife Andrea have seven children and it was their adopted son Cooper who brought our attention to the Murray’s advocacy though his appearances throwing out the first pitch a Major League Baseball games....
147. T21 Coffee - Giving Back to the Down Syndrome Community - Johan Lindborg 10.07.2023 56:09
In this episode, we speak with Johan Lindborg, founder of t21 Coffee. We had a beautiful conversation discussing his journey with his 12 year old son Cooper and how he has transformed from the doubts he had and the darkness he felt when receiving the Down syndrome diagnosis. It is an open and honest discussion that touches on fears to which any parent can relate. In the face of those fears, he cre...
146. Down Syndrome Diagnosis Network (DSDN) with Ben Hughes 02.07.2023 49:42
Today we are joined by Ben Hughs to discuss the Down Syndrome Diagnosis Network (DSDN) and how it empowers new parents with online supports, information, and resources. We also talk about the in person “Rockin’ Retreats” that offer our community the connection and respite necessary, but not always utilized, on the journey for every parent and caregiver. DSDN Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com...
145. A Grassroots Movement to Change the Narrative: A Conversation with Ted Green 27.06.2023 1:01:07
Ted Green is a documentarian whose latest film, ‘The Best We’ve Got: The Carl Erskine Story’, will be airing on PBS SoCal July 4th. Ted’s film is an in-depth look at Carl Erskine, a Dodgers pitcher whose son Jimmie was born with Down syndrome 63 years ago, a time in our country’s history when segregation plagued humanity. Carl and Betty, when faced with the inevitable institutionalization of their...
144. Non-Speaking Is Not Non-Communicating - Vaish and Sid Sarathy 20.06.2023 1:16:28
Today we are joined by Vaish and Sid Sarathy. Dr. Vaish Sarathy is a functional nutrition practitioner and science educator. She is the founder of Functional Nutrition for Kids and Plum Pudding Chemistry, both practices designed to optimize the learning potential of kids with Down syndrome and/or autism using both functional medicine and non-linear education principles. Sid, who has the diagnoses...
143. Letting Go: A Conversation with Karen Maezen Miller 13.06.2023 1:07:05
In this episode we speak again to Zen Buddhist Priest, Karen Maezen Miller and discuss the art of letting go, letting the answers be in the moment, and finding surrender in acceptance of that moment. Karen Maezen Miller Website: https://karenmaezenmiller.com Maezen’s books on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Karen-Maezen-Miller/e/B001JP2RQ0/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_book_1 Episode Transcript: https://i...
142. Learning From Our Mistakes: Deconstructing an IEP with Julie Picot 05.06.2023 1:18:50
In this episode, Julie Picot shares the experience of her latest series of IEP’s meant to usher her daughter Elyse into the Los Angeles Public School system. LAUSD Complaint Response Unit Website: https://achieve.lausd.net/Page/3581 Email: EquityCompliance@lausd.net Phone: (213) 241-7682 TTY: (213) 241-2511 Directions To File A Due Process (PDF): https://achieve.lausd.net/cms/lib/CA01000043/Centr...
141. Julie and Aaron Picot: The First 5 Years of Their Journey with Down Syndrome 29.05.2023 1:02:12
In this episode we speak with Araon and Julie, parents of 5 year old Elyse, about the lessons learned, the changes seen and the realizations made from diagnosis till now. Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2023/05/28/141-julie-and-aaron-picot/2/ Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our websit...
140. Keeping Up with Bertie - An Update with Melissa Kynoch 08.05.2023 1:14:31
In this episode we reconnect with Melissa Kynoch as her son Bertie begins primary school in Birmingham, England. You may remember that Melissa and Bertie were featured on the popular BBC Documentary Series ‘Life and Birth’. Among many things, we discuss the impact inclusion has made in Bertie’s life and the family's journey. Wouldn’t Change A Thing - https://www.wouldntchangeathing.org Bookworms D...
139. Looking Back and Seeing the Effects of a Non Inclusive Environment - Indira Cruz 23.04.2023 1:13:25
In this week's episode we have a wonderful conversation with Indira Cruz discussing the impact a non-inclusive environment had on her brother, now 50. By looking back at our past we learn from the injustices and see the consequences they had on generations of people with disabilities. Some of those lessons can be hard. This is one of them. Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpre...
138. ’Yes. No. Maybe.’ - Our Entry In The 2023 Easterseals Disability Film Challenge 11.04.2023 29:22
This episode marks the beginning of the Easterseals Disability Film Challenge’s Awareness Campaign. It’s our 9th film and it’s taken nine years to realize the Awareness Campaign strives to tell our stories to as many people as possible and by doing that, changing the path and narrative of individuals with disabilities. Our film, 'Yes. No. Maybe.' is a teenage love story. We hope you will watch and...
137. Citizens of the Wold Charter Schools: Christina Aries and Maureen Lamorena-Tatsui 27.03.2023 1:00:56
In this episode we celebrate Citizens of the World Charter Schools whose approach to inclusion was a life changing discovery for our family. We sit down with Dr. Maureen and Mrs. Aries, Co-principals of CWC, and discuss the importance of inclusion, its impact and why we as parents, if it is what is best for our student, should insist on our child’s right to an inclusive classroom. CWC Website: w...
136. World Down Syndrome Day with Dr. Eric Rubenstein and his Co-Researcher Team 20.03.2023 44:23
Happy World Down Syndrome Day 2023! In celebration of our community, we are sharing a discussion we had this month with Dr. Eric Rubenstein and his co-researcher team. Dr. Eric is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Epidemiology at Boston University and his research team is comprised of six adults with Down syndrome who engage the research process to create their own project. The team is c...
135. Revisiting with Children’s Hospital Los Angeles Pediatrician Dr. Mona Patel Gera 12.03.2023 1:18:38
Dr. Mona is an attending physician in the Department of General Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles and an Associate Professor in the Department of Pediatrics at the Keck School of Medicine of the University of Southern California. She sat down with us to challenge the many medical myths and stereotypes surrounding children with Down syndrome. Health Supervision Guidelines: https://www.h...
134. Your Dentistry Questions Answered - Dr. Jill Lasky 05.03.2023 43:27
Dr. Jill Lasky discusses the importance of Pediatric Dentistry, how to introduce dental care and specifics pertaining to the Down Syndrome community. We also discuss methods and tools for parents who want to support their children in making good dental health habits. Lasky Pediatric Dental Group: https://www.laskypediatricdental.com Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2...
133. Liam Turns 13: Let The Teenage Years Begin 20.02.2023 43:22
This week Liam turns 13. We recorded this episode on Valentine's Day with is fitting because love is the driving force of this family. Becoming a teenager is a milestone we have been looking forward to and we are thankful for all the ups and downs that have gotten us here. Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2023/02/18/133-liam-turns-13-let-the-teenage-years-begin/2/ Pl...
132. Black History Month: Revisiting Our Interview with Willie Dawkins 13.02.2023 1:09:07
For Black History Month we revisit a phenomenal episode we had with Willie Dawkins. We honor his story and his parents who gave him the foundation of love and support he needed to find his way through an unjust world and the advocates who came before us who fought for equality and laid the groundwork for our fight for inclusion. Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2023/...
131. The Things We Learn: The Evolution of An Advocate 06.02.2023 46:28
We talk today about how we learn to do things differently, the way we learn from our past, and how the seemingly smallest memories can hold so much in them, like the little lessons along the way. We also explore the need to accept when it’s easy, and how that can be a challenge in itself. Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2023/02/03/131-the-things-we-learn/2/ Please f...
130. Michael Sanford: An Advocate for Diverse Casting in Hollywood - Part 2 30.01.2023 43:51
This is the second half of a two part interview with casting director Michael Sanford about the work being done to make media more inclusive and diverse. We first met Michael when he cast our son, Liam, in the Lena Dunham movie SHARP STICK. Michael had seen Liam in a film made for the Disability Film Challenge where people with disabilities have a space to tell their own stories in the hopes that...
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