HR Heretics
“HR Heretics” | How CPOs, CHROs, Founders, and Boards Build High Performing Companies
After a decade+ of “blitz-scaling” companies, HR, talent, and People leaders now face an uncertain economy that has already seen big booms and busts. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing hig...
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Dec 23, 2025
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The 2026 Recruiting Reckoning & AI Predictions 23.12.2025 48:28
Today on HR Heretics, we’re excited to cross post a forward-thinking dialogue from Metaview’s 10x Recruiting Podcast on 2026 recruiting predictions, examining AI's transformative impact on talent acquisition, compensation dynamics, agent orchestration, and the evolving relationship between human expertise and algorithmic screening. Support our Sponsor: Metaview is the AI platform built for recruit...
Inside Executive Coaching with Nathan Tanner 18.12.2025 24:58
For today’s essential Heretics 101 feature, executive coach Nathan Tanner reveals the real economics of coaching: transparent revenue breakdowns, pricing strategy, and the path from corporate burnout to independent practice. Support our Sponsor: Metaview is the AI platform built for recruiting. Check it out: https://www.metaview.ai/heretics * Our suite of AI agents work across your hiring process...
Blitzscaling's Chris Yeh on Infinite Learning, Staying Cool, and Building Strategic Networks 16.12.2025 19:43
For today’s essential Heretics 101 feature, Chris Yeh discusses infinite learning, staying relevant through younger generations, Blitzscaling adaptability principles, assessing founders through shared experiences, and negotiating equity by establishing fair processes before debating numbers. Support our Sponsor: Metaview is the AI platform built for recruiting. Check it out: https://www.metaview.a...
Why Zapier Requires 100% AI Fluency (And How They Measure It) 11.12.2025 29:38
One of our biggest episodes of this past year was with Zapier’s CPO Brandon Sammut, ICYMI or as a refresher, in this essetial Heretics 101 feature, he demonstrates AI agents transforming HR workflows: from automating bar raiser interview prep to performance evidence collection, while explaining their four-level AI fluency framework. Support our Sponsor: Metaview is the AI platform built for recrui...
The VP Who Asked to Be Demoted: A Masterclass in Self-Awareness 09.12.2025 23:46
For today’s essential Heretics 101 feature, former Meta HR leader Cynthia Bazlamit (Baz) Shrauner talks about demoting herself twice for fulfillment over title. She also describes Facebook’s pandemic hiring frenzy that ballooned teams 10x, the subsequent brutal layoffs, and the effect of DEI resource groups on the company. Support our Sponsor: Metaview is the AI platform built for recruiting. Chec...
Bryan Power on Exits, Loyalty, and Why Your Goodbye Matters More Than You Think 04.12.2025 49:39
Bryan Power, who recently left Nextdoor after seven years, discusses his viral article on quitting properly, why exits define careers, manager failures, and the Growth by Design-Cursor acquisition’s implications. Support our Sponsor: Metaview is the AI platform built for recruiting. Check it out: https://www.metaview.ai/heretics * Our suite of AI agents work across your hiring process to save time...
Why L&D Fails (And How to Fix It) with Fidelma Butler 02.12.2025 21:47
For today’s essential Heretics 101 feature, Couchbase CPO Fidelma Butler talks about modern L&D: building contextual leadership frameworks, meeting employees in workflows, activating peer teaching, and addressing career development’s promotion fixation. Support our Sponsor: Metaview is the AI platform built for recruiting. Check it out: https://www.metaview.ai/heretics * Our suite of AI agents wor...
The Post-Acquisition Power Reckoning 25.11.2025 22:46
For today’s essential Heretics 101 feature, former co-founder and executive coach Adam Weber examines power dynamics and identity transformation following Amplify’s acquisition by 15Five, revealing insights on leadership evolution and maintaining authentic culture through organizational integration. Support our Sponsor: Metaview is the AI platform built for recruiting. Check it out: https://www.me...
The HRBP Role Is Broken: Here's How to Fix It 20.11.2025 22:07
For today’s essential Heretics 101 feature, Disruptive HR founder Lucy Adams dissects HR’s fundamental trust problem: why designing policies around your worst employees destroys organizational performance, and how to reimagine the business partner role. Support our Sponsor: Metaview is the AI platform built for recruiting. Check it out: https://www.metaview.ai/heretics * Our suite of AI agents wor...
Why Giving Stock to Everyone Is Harder Than It Sound 18.11.2025 21:56
On today’s Dear Heretics segment, Nolan and Kelli debate equity compensation philosophy: whether companies should extend stock options to all employees or reserve them for senior roles, weighing moral imperatives against investor dilution concerns and implementation complexity. Support our Sponsor: Metaview is the AI platform built for recruiting. Check it out: https://www.metaview.ai/heretics * O...
The Brutal Truth About Running Layoffs 13.11.2025 24:40
On today’s Dear Heretics segment, Nolan and Kelli tackle a question on navigating layoffs, revealing hard-won lessons from cutting deep, treating people humanely, and avoiding rookie RIF mistakes. Support our Sponsor: Metaview is the AI platform built for recruiting. Check it out: https://www.metaview.ai/heretics * Our suite of AI agents work across your hiring process to save time, boost decision...
Ex-Amazon Director's Viral Post Exposes Tech's Broken Employment Contract 11.11.2025 16:13
On today’s HR Heretics, Nolan and Kelli dissect a viral LinkedIn post from an ex-Amazon director, exploring how inflated tech worker expectations clash with today’s brutal job market realities. Support our Sponsor: Metaview is the AI platform built for recruiting. Check it out: https://www.metaview.ai/heretics * Our suite of AI agents work across your hiring process to save time, boost decision qu...
Snowflake CPO Arnnon Geshuri on Their AI Framework for HR 06.11.2025 29:54
In this episode of HR Heretics, Kelli and Nolan interview Arnnon Geshuri, Chief People Officer at Snowflake and 8-year Tesla veteran, about building HR’s strategic authority through data analytics, his automate-augment-human AI framework, and why he recruits economists and data scientists alongside traditional HR professionals. Support our Sponsor: Metaview is the AI platform built for recruiting....
Molly Graham on Founder Depression and Executive Team Dynamics 04.11.2025 22:26
For today’s essential Heretics 101 feature, Kelli and Nolan have a candid discussion with Silicon Valley operator Molly Graham on founder depression, imposter syndrome, executive team dynamics, and building business-first people operations at scaling companies. Support our Sponsor: Metaview is the AI platform built for recruiting. Check it out: https://www.metaview.ai/heretics * Our suite of AI ag...
Get Inside the Mind of your Team’s Best Interviewer, with Vercel’s Viet Nguyen [from 10X Recruiting] 30.10.2025 32:48
Today on HR Heretics, we’re excited to cross post a conversation from Metaview’s 10x Recruiting Podcast featuring Viet Nguyen, Head of Global Recuiting Operations of Vercel, on using AI to analyze top interviewers’ transcripts, extracting their unconscious patterns and building tools that scale interviewing excellence. Support our Sponsor: Metaview is the AI platform built for recruiting. Check it...
"3000 Applicants in Minutes": Recruiting Now with Jason James, Co-founder of Tezi 28.10.2025 35:23
This episode with Jason James from Tezi briefly vanished from Spotify. Don’t ask us why. But it’s too good to not share again. So here’s Jason unpacking the future of recruiting. Please enjoy. Jason James doesn’t sugarcoat it: recruiting coordinators and sourcers won’t exist in 5 years. In this episode, James (Co-founder and COO of Tezi) sits down with Kelli and Nolan to discuss how to screen 30...
'Intelligence on Tap' At Your Org, with Siadhal Magos, Metaview CEO 23.10.2025 32:40
In this latest AI Corner, Metaview CEO Siadhal Magos joins Kelli and Nolan to discuss the “Trough of Disillusionment” in enterprise AI adoption, exploring the gap between inflated expectations and practical implementation realities in recruiting workflows. Watch as Siadhal demonstrates Metaview’s AI sourcing, showcasing its intuitive, agent-based approach that moves beyond traditional Boolean meth...
Rethink Your Bonus Program 21.10.2025 16:03
On today’s Dear Heretics segment, Kelli and Nolan analyze why traditional bonus programs fail at early-stage companies, advocating for flexible sprint incentives and spot bonuses over rigid annual structures that create organizational debt. Support our Sponsor: Metaview is the AI platform built for recruiting. Check it out: https://www.metaview.ai/heretics * Our suite of AI agents work across your...
No Private DMs 14.10.2025 18:02
On today’s HR Heretics, Kelli and Nolan debate radical workplace transparency: eliminating private Slack messages. They explore tensions between cultural openness, practical communication needs, and effective use of asynchronous tools. Support our Sponsors: Ethena is the compliance training platform built for modern workplaces. Visit goethena.com/heretics and get 10% off your first year. Metaview...
Fractional Work's Dirty Secret: How to Do a Full-Time Job in 25 Hours - Insights from Sally Thornton, Forshay 09.10.2025 23:21
For today’s essential Heretics 101 feature, Kelli and Nolan talk to Sally Thornton, CEO and Founder of Forshay who offers a candid examination of fractional executive work, exploring trust barriers, adverse selection problems, pricing models, and why consulting acumen matters more than traditional executive experience. Support our Sponsors: Ethena is the compliance training platform built for mode...
Building Culture-First Companies: Insights from Culture Amp's CEO, Didier Elzinga 07.10.2025 24:07
For today’s essential Heretics 101 feature, Kelli and Nolan talk to Culture Amp CEO Didier Elzinga, revealing data-driven insights on building culture-first companies, balancing psychological safety with accountability, and prioritizing growth as engagement’s foundation. Support our Sponsors: Ethena is the compliance training platform built for modern workplaces. Visit goethena.com/heretics and ge...
Building Elite Teams at Coinbase with L.J. Brock 02.10.2025 28:23
For today’s essential Heretics 101 feature, Kelli and Nolan talk to Coinbase Chief People Officer LJ Brock reveals how the company’s mission-first philosophy, refusal to negotiate salaries, and rigorous talent density standards challenge conventional HR orthodoxy. Support our Sponsors: Planful empowers teams just like yours to unlock the secrets of successful workforce planning. Use data-driven in...
The H-1B Shakeup: Immigration Program Redesign and Alternative Pathways 30.09.2025 29:24
On today’s HR Heretics, Kelli and Nolan deliver candid analysis of H1B visa policy disruptions impacting tech hiring, then recap their Confluent People Team offsite with Colleen McCreary, featuring contrarian HR perspectives on compensation equity, organizational beliefs, and fostering intellectual disagreement. Support our Sponsors: Planful empowers teams just like yours to unlock the secrets of...
A CPO's First 90 Days 25.09.2025 32:29
On today’s Dear Heretics segment, Kelli and Nolan deliver candid, practical advice for Chief People Officers navigating their critical first 90 days, featuring real-world insights on building stakeholder trust, executing quick wins, and establishing strategic organizational influence. Support our Sponsors: Planful empowers teams just like yours to unlock the secrets of successful workforce plannin...
$100K H-1B Fee? Analyzing Trump’s Policy with Nicole Gunara of Manifest Law 23.09.2025 32:49
In this episode of HR Heretics, Nolan talks to Immigration attorney Nicole Gunara (Manifest Law) who analyzes the new $100,000 H-1B policy that sparked rapid industry adaptation across Silicon Valley, breaking down how this strategic shift creates different advantages for big tech versus startups while driving companies to explore innovative alternative visa pathways. Support our Sponsors: Planful...
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