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Elevator Systems - Bowen Family Systems Theory
Introduction to Bowen Family Systems Theory
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Episodes
S4 Ep10 Money with Kathy Wiseman 07.07.2026 51:01
This episode explores how money is linked to family and relationship processes. Kathy Wiseman shares her personal and professional experience from across the decades in a conversation about how Bowen family systems theory is helpful for individuals, families, and organizations to be more thoughtful about their financial situations, struggles, and goals. Kathy Wiseman trains and coaches people who...
S4 Ep9 Sexual Diversity with Kent Webb 23.06.2026 41:06
This episode discusses Bowen family systems theory and sexual diversity. Kent Webb joins to share his personal journey and research on the topic. The conversation explores how curiosity and open dialogue can encourage understanding and growth in relationships as well as in Bowen theory itself. Kent Webb works in both the organizational and mental health worlds with practices in each field. He is a...
S4 Ep8 Sexual Abuse Scandals with Kathleen Cotter-Cauley 09.06.2026 41:06
Today’s episode looks at how Bowen family systems theory is useful in the complex area of sexual abuse scandals . Kathleen Cotter-Cauley joins this episode to discuss the many groups involved in scandals and how an eye on the family and relationship systems is a lens that can add clarity and understanding to this complicated and relevant topic. Kathleen Cotter-Cauley is a licensed marriage and fam...
S4 Ep7 Politics with Dr. Robert L. Davis 26.05.2026 46:11
In this episode of Elevator Systems, we explore politics and Bowen family systems theory . Dr. Robert L. Davis is our guest as we zoom out across time and zoom in to the influence on family life, as well as the challenge of maintaining objectivity in politically polarized environments. Dr. Robert L. Davis is founder and Executive Director of Seasoned With Grace UnBoxed, a nonprofit committed to he...
S4 Ep6 Religion with Matt Steele 12.05.2026 47:45
Today’s episode looks at religion and relationships . We are diving into a hot topic and seeing how Bowen family systems theory is a resource to thinking about and observing religion and how people function around religion - within and between religious communities. Matt Steele joins us to share his thinking and experience on the topic. Matt Steele is a Bowen theory coach and pastoral supervisor...
S4 Ep5 Sports with Amie Post 28.04.2026 41:19
What does Bowen family systems theory have to say about sports? A surprising amount! Amie Post is on the podcast again to think about the emotional processes of sports and how athletic performance can mirror relationship dynamics. Learn more on how automatic reactions, anxiety, and differentiation of self influence both the game and real-world relationships, offering insights into personal growth...
S4 Ep4 Family Expectations with Maybo Lui 14.04.2026 39:01
This episode is a conversation about culture and family expectations from a Bowen family system theory perspective. Counsellor Maybo Lui joins us to discuss how cultural norms and environmental contexts influence family expectations, and how curiosity and flexibility are important to better understanding one’s own perspective as well as the family narrative. Maybo Lui, MS, RCC is a Registered Cli...
S4 Ep3 Artificial Intelligence with Dr. Patrick Stinson 31.03.2026 48:51
In our latest podcast, we explore how Bowen family systems theory is useful in navigating the world of artificial intelligence and how artificial intelligence may inform Bowen theory. In a world increasingly influenced by artificial intelligence, understanding how we relate to technology is more important than ever. How does one go from jumping in the deep end or panicked avoidance to thoughtful e...
S4 Ep2 Mental Health with Dr. Samantha Stokesberry 17.03.2026 38:11
Today’s episode explores the application of Bowen family systems theory in understanding mental health. Dr. Sam Stokesberry is our guest looking at the role of the counsellor in navigating their own emotional processes while supporting clients and differentiation of self in therapy. The discussion highlights a nuanced understanding of mental health that considers the interplay of individual and sy...
S4 Ep1 Polarization with Dr. Barbara Laymon 03.03.2026 40:05
To introduce Season 4 , Dr. Barbara Laymon joins the podcast to discuss the complex dynamics of polarization and the interplay between individuality and togetherness as described in Bowen family systems theory. This episode explores what individuality and togetherness look like in relationships, the impact of societal pressures, and the importance of maturity in navigating differences. Examples, i...
S4 Preseason Episode: Mild/Medium/Hot Topics 24.02.2026 14:59
Welcome to the Season 4 kickoff of Elevator Systems! In this episode, Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White share a sneak peek into the themes and topics being explored this season: the tough conversations and topics we often avoid ! Join us as we dive into what makes a topic ‘hot’, how to engage more thoughtfully, and how Bowen family systems theory is helpful when tensions rise. Whether you're famil...
S3 Special Episode: The Family Life Cycle with Dr. Monica McGoldrick 16.12.2025 48:01
Welcome to Elevator Systems! To end Season 3, we are interviewing Dr. Monica McGoldrick about her book The Expanded Family Life Cycle, the importance of systems thinking, and some of her memories with Dr. Murray Bowen. Monica McGoldrick, M.A., LCSW, Ph. D. (Honorary) , is the Director of the Multicultural Family Institute in Highland Park, New Jersey and Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at the Rob...
S3 Ep18 Death with Priscilla Friesen 04.11.2025 35:53
Welcome to Elevator Systems! For the last episode of our season on relationships across the lifespan, we will be looking at Bowen family systems theory and death. Priscilla Friesen joins hosts Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White to talk about her personal and professional perspective. Priscilla Friesen is a family consultant who trained as a licensed clinical social worker. She was introduced to Bow...
S3 Ep17 Aging with Selden Dunbar Illick 28.10.2025 40:57
Welcome to Elevator Systems! Selden Dunbar Illick joins Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White as they think through aging from a Bowen family systems perspective on today’s episode. Selden Dunbar Illick has been studying Bowen family systems theory for over 40 years. Selden founded the Princeton Family Center for Education in 1987 and currently serves on the Board. She is particularly interested in th...
S3 Ep16 Family Rifts with Lisa Moss 21.10.2025 38:22
Welcome to Elevator Systems! Today’s episode is about something that can happen at any stage of life: family rifts. Lisa Moss joins Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White to discuss family rifts and Bowen family systems theory. Lisa Moss is a licensed clinical social worker with 15 years in private practice. Lisa completed the post graduate training program at the Center for Family Consultation in Evan...
S3 Ep15 Retirement with Kathleen Kerr 14.10.2025 35:43
Welcome to Elevator Systems! For this episode of the podcast Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White had the privilege of speaking with, recently retired, Kathy Kerr about the way Bowen family systems theory is useful in retirement. Kathleen Kerr is a clinical nurse specialist and started her private practice in 1975. She was on the faculty of the Bowen Center from 1978 to 2012 and is a founding Board m...
S3 Ep 14 Grandparenting with Amie Post 07.10.2025 37:48
Welcome to Elevator Systems! Today Amie Post joins Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White to talk about grandparenting from a Bowen family systems theory lens. Amie is the keynote speaker at Living Systems’ conference, Aging: Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity on October 17th and 18th. Details below. Amie Post , is a marriage and family therapist with extensive experience in leadership. She ser...
S3 Ep 13 Empty Nest with John Bell 30.09.2025 35:51
Welcome to Elevator Systems! This episode will explore the empty nest stage from a Bowen family systems theory perspective. Joining Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White today is John Bell. John Bell is an ordained United Methodist pastor who became interested in Bowen theory after hearing Peter Steinke say, "Good leadership rises about the anxiety of the group." He has spent the last 30 years puttin...
S3 Ep 12 Launching with Erik Thompson 23.09.2025 38:27
Welcome to Elevator Systems! Today’s episode looks at how Bowen family systems theory is useful in thinking about the launching stage in a family. Erik Thompson joins hosts Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White for a lively and informative discussion. Erik Thompson is a licensed leadership psychologist with three decades of experience helping families. He founded Thompson Leadership Development and is...
S3 Ep 11 Stepfamilies with Kathleen Cotter Cauley 16.09.2025 43:36
Welcome to Elevator Systems! This episode explores all of the complexities of when families combine in stepfamily relationships and how Bowen family systems theory can be a resource. Kathleen Cotter Cauley is back on the elevator, sharing her thoughts and experiences with Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White. Kathleen Cotter Cauley is a licensed marriage and family therapist and has a private practic...
S3 Ep10 Divorce with Dr. Carrie Collier 09.09.2025 37:38
Welcome to Elevator Systems! Today’s episode discusses divorce from a Bowen family systems theory perspective. Dr. Carrie Collier is back thinking alongside hosts Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White. Dr. Carrie Collier is a researcher, lecturer and family therapist specializing in Bowen family systems theory. She earned her PhD in Counsellor Education and has over 25 years of study and practice as a...
S3 Ep9 Kids with Challenges with Devana Weiss 02.09.2025 36:02
Welcome to Elevator Systems! In this episode we are looking at a Bowen family systems theory perspective on relationships with kids with challenges. Joining hosts Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White is fellow Living Systems colleague Devana Weiss who brings personal and professional experience to this topic. Devana Weiss is a licensed counsellor in private practise, a clinical supervisor, and a facu...
S3 Ep 8 Parenting with Lauren Errington 26.08.2025 38:49
Welcome to Elevator Systems! Today Lauren Errington joins hosts Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White as we think about parenting from a Bowen family systems perspective. Lauren Errington is the Executive Director of the Family Systems Institute in Sydney, Australia. She is also a Mental Health Social Worker and Clinical Family Therapist and Supervisor at the Family Systems Practice. She has written a...
S3 Ep7 Marriage with Phil Klever 19.08.2025 34:27
Welcome to Elevator Systems! This episode looks at Bowen family systems theory and marriage. Joining Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White is Phil Klever who has spent over two decades doing research on married couples. Phil Klever has applied Bowen theory in his clinical practice and his personal life over most of his adult life. He has tested Bowen theory hypotheses in his longitudinal family resear...
S3 Ep6 Co-Workers with Jake Morrill 12.08.2025 37:20
Welcome to Elevator Systems! Today we are riding the elevator at our places of work. Jake Morrill joins hosts Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White to look at the many ways a Bowen family systems lens can be useful in the everyday, big and small situations and challenges of work life. Jake Morrill is the founder of Generation to Generation Leadership Coaching, which works with family businesses, congr...
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