Jordan Pickell and Alison McCleary

Edge of the Couch

Health EN ↓ 168 episodes

Two good friends and experienced therapists explore the topics that were either shied away from or dismissed because they were too big, too nuanced, too risky, or too uncomfortable to address in school or even in supervision. We want to inspire and encourage therapists to think more deeply, show up more fully, and find humour and self-compassion in navigating the messier parts of being a therapist.

Author

Jordan Pickell and Alison McCleary

Category

Health

Podcast website

www.edgeofthecouch.com

Latest episode

May 13, 2026

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Episodes

As therapists, do we become desensitized to trauma stories? 23.06.2021

In this BONUS episode, we answer a listener question: "As therapists, do we become desensitized to such serious issues (e.g. suicide and self harm)? How do we check in with ourselves around it?” We'd love to hear from you. Send us an email at connect@edgeofthecouch.com to tell us what you think, ask a question or let us know what type of episode you'd love to hear.  You can even sen...

Can therapists say "I'm proud of you" to clients? 09.06.2021

In this BONUS episode, we answer a listener question: "Is it okay to tell clients we are proud of them?"  We'd love to hear from you. Send us an email at connect@edgeofthecouch.com to tell us what you think, ask a question or let us know what type of episode you'd love to hear.  You can even send us a voice note for us to play in a future episode.  You can support us by giving...

Q+A Part 2 Dealing with a racist client, processing our own "stuff", and thoughts on homework 02.06.2021

We answer listener questions. 1) In a recent episode, you spoke about clients that have said they have feelings for you. How do you handle that? Has it ever ruptured the relationship? 2) What to do when clients say racist or sexist things? 3) How does a therapist not think about clients they really care about outside of sessions? 4) I'm worried I still have too much of my own stuff to process...

Q+A Part 1 Breaking up with a supervisor, using jargon, and a client says "You're pretty" 26.05.2021

We answer listener questions. 1) Do either of you offer supervision?  Yes, book or contact us through our practice websites. 2) Tips for therapists in therapy. Notice when you are doing "split brain". Notice when you are holding back. You can shop around. You can try out different modalities. 3) Are you both psychologists or another type of therapist? We are both Master-level therapists,...

The therapeutic relationship is a place of experimentation and affirmation - Interview with Co-host Jordan Pickell 19.05.2021

In this special episode, Alison interviews her co-host, Jordan. We talk about how she shows up in therapy, how being a therapist has changed her, and her fear of clients seeing her on the street in a difficult parenting moment.  We'd love to hear from you. Send us an email at connect@edgeofthecouch.com to tell us what you think, ask a question or let us know what type of episode you'd lo...

We're all going to die someday - Interview with Co-host Alison McCleary 12.05.2021

In this special episode, Jordan interviews her co-host Alison. We talk about how she shows up in therapy, what she has learned from her clients, and the powerful metaphors she uses regularly and other Alison-isms.  We'd love to hear from you. Send us an email at connect@edgeofthecouch.com to tell us what you think, ask a question or let us know what type of episode you'd love to hear.  Y...

When you are attracted to the client 05.05.2021

Finding yourself attracted to a client is a thing that happens! Even talking about it in hypotheticals is taboo. If you can’t acknowledge what is happening, even to yourself, it will absolutely impact the work and you are so much more likely to do harm. How do you know you are attracted to a client? In this episode, Jordan and Alison break down this taboo and talk about how they navigate this deli...

When you disagree with your school 28.04.2021

Whether you speak back or just say it to yourself, sometimes you will disagree with your school. Sometimes you will disagree with your supervisor. Even though you are learning new concepts and skills, you come into the work with life experiences and values. How do you hold onto yourself through the process of learning?  In this episode, Alison and Jordan delve into the biases and limitations of ou...

When the client wants to die 21.04.2021

In this episode, Jordan and Alison explore what our training teaches us about how to respond when a client expresses suicidal intent, how problematic our training can be, and the understandable apprehension that exists in new therapists (maybe all therapists?) when tasked with holding space for conversations about suicide.  We'd love to hear from you. Send us an email at connect@edgeofthecouc...

When you want to be friends with the client 14.04.2021

Alison and Jordan discuss when therapists have friendship-y feelings about a client. What do you do when a client says that they want to be friends, that you are friends, or that you are their best friend? We'd love to hear from you. Send us an email at connect@edgeofthecouch.com to tell us what you think, ask a question or let us know what type of episode you'd love to hear.  You can ev...

When you have lived experience - Interview with Mimi Cole 07.04.2021

In an interview, Jordan talks with Mimi Cole, student therapist and educator and writer on OCD and eating disorders, about her experience in school and online with self-disclosure, and the implications for her future work with clients.  We'd love to hear from you. Send us an email at connect@edgeofthecouch.com to tell us what you think, ask a question or let us know what type of episode you&a...

When you can't help laughing 31.03.2021

In this episode, Jordan and Alison explore the intimacy that can deepen when we, therapists, share tears with our clients, crying with or for them during session. There’s an exploration about why our field teaches us to swallow our tears and the ways in which Alison and Jordan have worked to reclaim the connection of crying. The episode switches gears to then talk about the times in which Jordan a...

When you are chronically ill 17.03.2021

Alison and Jordan talk about considerations for therapists with chronic illness. They share their own experiences with illness. We'd love to hear from you. Send us an email at connect@edgeofthecouch.com to tell us what you think, ask a question or let us know what type of episode you'd love to hear.  You can even send us a voice note for us to play in a future episode.  You can support u...

When you fall in love with therapy - Interview with Chloe Powell 10.03.2021

In this episode, Alison speaks with her academic peer and dear friend, Chloe Powell. They talk about her journey to graduate school and what it's been like for her as a student therapist in the pandemic. We'd love to hear from you. Send us an email at connect@edgeofthecouch.com to tell us what you think, ask a question or let us know what type of episode you'd love to hear.  You can...

When you are a therapist in a pandemic 03.03.2021

In this episode, Alison and Jordan talked about being a therapist in the time of COVID. This was recorded in December 2020, nine months into the global pandemic. We'd love to hear from you. Send us an email at connect@edgeofthecouch.com to tell us what you think, ask a question or let us know what type of episode you'd love to hear.  You can even send us a voice note for us to play in a...

When the client won't cry 24.02.2021

In this episode, Alison and Jordan talk about -how crying shows up in different ways for clients -questions to ask clients around their relationship to crying -how they work with clients in moments they are on the verge of tears -anger's place in therapy -their own relationships to crying Send us an email to tell us what you think at connect@edgeofthecouch.com. Follow us on Instagram @edgeoft...

When you feel like an imposter 17.02.2021

In the first episode, Alison and Jordan talk about how new therapists can resist imposter syndrome. We'd love to hear from you. Send us an email at connect@edgeofthecouch.com to tell us what you think, ask a question or let us know what type of episode you'd love to hear.  You can even send us a voice note for us to play in a future episode.  You can support us by giving us a review on A...

Trailer 03.02.2021

Join us on Patreon for bonus content at www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch , share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com. We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at Jane.app/mentalhealth . Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a...

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