Natalia Terfa, Emmy Kegler
Cafeteria Christian
Cafeteria Christian started as a place for people who love Jesus but are so over the version of Christianity that forgets love, justice, and curiosity. Hosted by Pastor Natalia Terfa and Pastor Emmy Kegler, the show is a mix of faith conversations, cultural commentary, and the beautiful, complicated mess of trying to follow Jesus in the real world. From biblical deep dives to big feelings about the world, Emmy and Natalia create a space where honesty and hope coexist. Together, we're reclaiming the term "Cafeteria Christian" — because when it comes to faith, you really can take what you like a...
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Natalia Terfa, Emmy Kegler
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Jun 29, 2026
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Episodes
#173 But I Want the Flower! and other Mother's Day Rants 08.05.2022 48:51
Emmy and Natalia tackle a listener's voicemail about the toxicity of Mother's Day and how we can celebrate or not celebrate and be kind all around while doing it. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian Previous Mother's Day episodes: https://five.libsyn.com/episodes/view/19028843 https://five.libsyn.com/episodes/view/14354609
#172 Why You Gotta Be So Mean? 02.05.2022 1:05:06
Emmy and Natalia set aside the plan for the week to talk about arrow slinging and receiving that is happening right now and what we can do to rebuild our resilience after a few years of deficits. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian Links discussed: https://annehelen.substack.com/p/the-expanding-job?s=r https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-demo...
#171 Burn It All Down with Janice Lagata 26.04.2022 1:14:22
Jesse and Natalia welcome back Janice Lagata to talk about Hillsong and broken systems and why power and the church can't coexist. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
#170 The PK Life - with Layla Terfa 19.04.2022 37:14
Natalia is joined by her daughter Layla to talk about faith and life and why being a pastor's kid is hard sometimes. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
#169 Blessed Holy Week? 11.04.2022 1:00:41
Natalia and Emmy put on their pastor hats to talk about Holy Week and why it's fraught and how we might apply our take what you like and leave the rest lens to this set of days in the church. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
#168 Not All Facts Are Fun: Gender Identity 04.04.2022 59:07
Emmy takes us on an exploration of gender identity, what it means to be trans or nonbinary, and what that might reveal for the church and for each of us. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian Relevant Readings https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/01/young-trans-children-know-who-they-are/580366/ https://www.vox.com/2016/6/6/11853060/transgender-children-parents ht...
#167 Sideways Grief 28.03.2022 52:13
Emmy and Natalia try to pull a hodgepodge of topic ideas together into one cohesive episode and learn that a lot of things are true at the same time because everything is broken. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
#166 Messy, Whole, & Human 21.03.2022 59:18
Emmy and Natalia talk about how hard it is to be a human right now, and how we're just not good at being messy and whole out in the world, and in church. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian Show link: Anne Helen Peterson - https://annehelen.substack.com/p/a-case-of-zoom-dysmorphia?s=r
#165 God Loves Trans Kids 14.03.2022 1:00:30
Emmy and Natalia talk through a listener question about trans kids and anti-trans legislation going around the country. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian Links: https://freedomforallamericans.org/legislative-tracker/ Liam's TTFA episode: https://www.ttfa.org/episode/2022/02/22/liam-and-the-letters Austin's article: https://www.christiancentury.org/article/critical-ess...
#164 Life: Where Bad Things Happen and People Change 07.03.2022 1:05:25
Emmy, Jesse, and Natalia tackle two slightly related listener questions and they take turns getting fired up about life and church and bad things and the theology of it all. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
#163 Welcome to the Long Sadness 01.03.2022 54:55
Emmy, Jesse, and Natalia are back together to talk about current events and how to participate in the season of Lent when everything already feels pretty lent-y. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
#162 Free-Range Church with Pr Jenny Sung 22.02.2022 1:07:15
Natalia welcomes special guest and human ray of sunshine Pr Jenny Sung for a conversation about free-range church, baptism, and #stopasianhate. Content warning ⚠️ Discussion of hate crimes against Asian American and Pacific Island people. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
#161 Love is what brings us together 14.02.2022 50:57
Emmy and Natalia talk about Valentines Day and Love and unpack the myths and legends around both. Emmy showed up with research and Natalia unintentionally made a new segment so buckle up yall! Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
#160 Mini Series - Sex - Episode Four - Marriage 09.02.2022 1:02:44
Natalia and Emmy answer a follow up question about marriage and the Bible and talk about their own weddings and also go on some tangents about Turkish weddings (Natalia) and the Bronte sisters (Emmy). Listen to the song Emmy references here . Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
#159 Sex Talk - Part Three - The Bible and Sex 31.01.2022 1:05:16
Emmy goes rogue with an hour-long Fun Facts In Christian History to take us on a deep dive about what the Bible ~really~ says about sex. Resources: DEEP BIBLE DIVES * Unprotected Texts: The Bible's Surprising Contradictions About Sex and Desire by Jennifer Wright Knust * God & Sex by Michael Coogan * The Joy of Text: Where Real Sex Meets Jewish Law UNPACKING PURITY CULTURE * Damaged Goods by...
#158 Sex Talk - Episode Two - Shame 26.01.2022 51:56
Emmy and Natalia continue the spicy conversation around sex, especially how the church has been a place that perpetuates shame rather than naming our beautifully created selves. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
#157 Sex Talk Episode One 18.01.2022 40:51
Nora, Emmy, and Natalia start a conversation about how we talk to our kids and ourselves about sex, purity culture, and why women are amazing. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
#156 New Year, Same You 10.01.2022 52:20
Nora and Natalia are back together for a meandering but eventually meaningful conversation about performing and perfection in the new year. Digressions include Camp Nowhere, Priest Daddy, and Nora's journey with the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
#154 RSVPlease Don't Come 13.12.2021 1:02:46
Emmy, Jesse, and Natalia talk about upcoming conversations around tables where not everyone might agree, how to respond, how to set boundaries, and how to be an ally in the moment. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
#153 Your Christmas Pageant is a Lie: the transmogrification of Christmas 06.12.2021 1:06:56
CONTENT WARNING: don't listen with kids who believe in Santa! Emmy and Natalia tackle Christmas myths and stories and historical accuracy and Emmy goes on some epic rants that are not to be missed. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
#152 Faith Lost 29.11.2021 48:20
Emmy and Natalia answer a listener question about a loss of faith and how we navigate untangling our struggles with other humans and the church from God. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
#151 Adventus 22.11.2021 49:27
Emmy and Natalia gush about Advent and why they love it and what it's for and about and why you might want to consider thinking about it differently this year. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
#150 Don't Be Nice 15.11.2021 48:41
Jesse, Natalia, and Emmy talk about niceness and how it impedes our ability to be anti-racist, how the work is not yet done, and how it all relates to our tagline - take what you like, and leave the rest. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
#149 Nests, Depression, and Grace for us all 08.11.2021 59:06
Emmy and Natalia talk about how life is hard and how our brains handle it differently and what our faith has to say about all of it. Support the show at http://patreon.com/cafeteriachristian
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