Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford

Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD

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The Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD podcast, hosted by Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford, is for Human Resources and Organizational Development change-makers committed to bold work in an era that calls for the skills, values and partnership of these two disciplines. Bob and Joyce are former HR and OD C-suite executives who share their successes, failures, and hacks. They believe that it's an exciting time for this work and give specifics around acquisitions, policy nightmares, and grand moments. This podcast is to support your work and to take a moment to step away from the daily chaos. Come o...

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Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford

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Business

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bobnjoyce.fireside.fm

Latest episode

Jul 8, 2026

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Episodes

Episode 65: To Disrupt – OD’s Ultimate Purpose 10.05.2022

In today’s episode, Bob’nJoyce wrestle with the idea of OD’s purpose being to evoke disruption. We both agreed the word disruption may be too harsh. Our goal in today's podcast is to create meaning with the words we use to describe OD’s work. This matters. Knowing OD’s purpose guides us and informs why OD creates organization discomfort. We debate alternatives to the word "disruptor," like "galvan...

Episode 64: A Show About Nothing 05.05.2022

In this episode, Bob’nJoyce let it rip and rift about rifting. We discussed everything from toilet paper and Kleenex to delayed gratification and somehow relate it all back to OD. Once we get focused, we talked about how perspectives and opinions are often shaped by the roles we play. Come listen to discover how the words competition, protection, disruption, and projection relate to specific funct...

Episode 63: A Time to Be Bold and Courageous 27.04.2022

Many of us play it safe when the organization requires bold action. In this episode, Bob’nJoyce take on the topic of leaning into discomfort and taking bold action to move a team or organization. We share examples when we took bold action that worked and times we flopped, pivoted, and moved forward. In these volatile and uncertain times, playing it safe when bold action is required just doesn’t cu...

Episode 62: The Burnout Pandemic and What OD/HR Can Do 05.04.2022

In this episode, we revisit the cause and impact of burnout and stress. Good companies regard the health and well-being of their employees as inextricably linked to business success. OD and HR policy and practices must reflect that burnout is an unavoidable consequence of life in uncertain, chaotic times. In this episode you will learn: • The impact of life events that cause burnout • The impact o...

Episode 61: Lead Like You Own It - Lessons from Entrepreneurs 24.03.2022

In this episode, Bob’nJoyce look at leadership through the lens of an entrepreneur. An entrepreneur wears many hats and must surround themselves with people who possess skills and knowledge they lack. They must move fast and correct quickly knowing that everything is on the line. They pay attention to the culture from the perspective of what the employee experience must be to deliver the customer...

Episode 60: Fully Human Leadership – A Deeper Dive 17.03.2022

In today’s episode, Bob’nJoyce dive deeper into the new leadership model introduced in Episode 59. They make the case why dated leadership models are no longer sufficient to thrive in a VUCA world and why this new model of leadership is needed to meet modern challenges. They answer the questions: • How is this model different from past models? • Are some of the 16 attributes more important than ot...

Episode 59: Fully Human Leadership – A New Model for Leading 07.03.2022

Ralph Waldo Emerson summed up this model best: “To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.” Come in. Grab a snack. Welcome!

Episode 58: Informed Consultant – OD Sherpa 25.02.2022

In today’s episode, Bob’NJoyce explore ODN’s 5th and final OD core competency, Informed Consultant. This competency draws on an OD practitioner’s organizational awareness, commitment to diversity and inclusion, and possessing a toolbox of OD interventions that drives a company’s success. We use the term OD Sherpa, a person with the endurance to overcome difficult circumstances and the skills to le...

Episode 57: We Doth Protest Too Much – Being a Credible Strategist 15.02.2022

In this episode, Bob’nJoyce explore ODN’s 4th OD Competency – Credible Strategist. This competency requires OD to have a leadership presence and the emotional intelligence to influence strategy. Bob’nJoyce share examples of their work on shaping successful strategies in partnership with top leaders. This episode explores what it means to be credible and how you get there. This competency requires...

Episode 56: OD Obi-Wan Kenobi 08.02.2022

In this Episode, Bob’nJoyce explore ODN’s 3rd OD Competency – Business Advisor. In today’s chaotic, unpredictable world, leadership needs trusted OD business advisors to get beyond current thinking and explore new possibilities to tackle modern challenges and opportunities. OD practitioners, with their system thinking and curiosity are in a unique position to add value as a business advisor. So co...

Episode 55: Efficient Designer. What the Heck is This? 03.02.2022

Today we explore ODN’s second OD competency, efficient designer. We speak to this competency’s importance and what its impact is when done well. We give examples of how OD design processes positively impact an organization's success. We ended up agreeing that the role of efficient designer brings the necessary structure and organization to deliver robust results.

Episode 54: How OD Makes Organizations Work Better – System Change Expert 27.01.2022

Today, we continue to explore “OD’s job description” as defined by ODN, a network of OD scholars and practitioners committed to creating effective, healthy organizations. In this episode, we focus on the first, and arguably most important competency - System Design Expert. This competency blends the ability to assess what is happening in an organization (that contributes to or impedes progress) wi...

Episode 53: Going Behind the OD Curtain – How We Do What We Do 21.01.2022

In this episode, Bob’nJoyce demystify the work of OD using the competency framework created by ODN (Organization Development Network). In Episode 21 we reviewed this framework in general terms but felt the need to revisit and go deeper. Why? We have two reasons: We OD professionals too often minimize our impact by limiting work to facilitating teams, resolving conflict, and designing “feel-good” e...

Episode 52: Being Fully Human Goes Mainstream 11.01.2022

In this episode, Bob’nJoyce discuss the shift towards humanizing organizations and leadership. The common themes of irritation (what took us so long), and optimism (A Covid gift) emerge in today’s podcast. We explore: ■ Why humanize organization and leadership and why now ■ The need for HR and OD to seize the momentum and lead this change ■ The concept of “memory yearn” and the headwinds confronti...

Episode 51: The New Normal: Living with Covid 04.01.2022

In this episode, Bob’nJoyce get up close and personal with Covid as one of them tested positive. Like wishing a storm to pass, we have waited two years for putting Covid behind us. By now, we know this isn’t going to happen anytime soon. The truth is we have entered a new normal where we must learn to live (and die) with the disease. So what are the implications for organizations, and more specifi...

Episode 50: Uncertainty’s Best Antidote - Shining the Light 28.12.2021

In this episode, Bob’nJoyce explore the importance of bringing “light” into the tunnel when all seems bleak and uncertain. Organizations and individuals, especially now, need to tell the truth and shed light given today’s profound uncertainty and diminished optimism. So where does this come from? HR/OD and leadership must inspire and bring light to themselves and their organizations. We explore wa...

Episode 49: Confronting Conflict – An Emerging HR/OD Competency 21.12.2021

In this episode, we share practical tips on how individuals and groups can effectively navigate difficult conversation. In a culture where profound disagreement runs rampant, Bob’nJoyce take on how to have difficult conversations in a way which lowers the heat, builds trust, and promotes common understanding. HR and OD practitioners are in a unique position to take the lead on facilitating convers...

Episode 48: Creating a New Normal - What Stays and What Goes? 16.12.2021

In this episode, Bob’nJoyce muse over the new order that is emerging from the chaos of Covid. We, as a society, are in a tectonic shift that demarcates before and after resulting from the many pivots that organizations and individuals have been forced to make. How work gets done, where it happens, and what we value most are all conversations that need to happen. It requires pausing to assess and a...

Episode 47: Riding a Bike is Easy, Sustaining Change Is Not 07.12.2021

It turns out we weren’t finished unraveling why sustaining change is so difficult when we go through training. In this episode, we explore the forces both for and against making change stick. In a world that so needs positive change, there may not be a more important conversation. In this episode, you will get: • Why the energy that fuels change needs constant replenishment and ways to do it • How...

Episode 46: Caution Ahead – Navigating the Perils of Adult Learning 02.12.2021

Why does training too often miss the mark? This is the central question we take on in today’s podcast. Bob’nJoyce deconstruct the distinction between learning and training that is often confused with one another, or worse yet, considered the same. When you mix up one for the other, the bottom line, employee satisfaction, and customer service all suffer. If that doesn’t get your attention, nothing...

Episode 45: Lessons From Eating Popcorn – The Perfect Comfort Food 23.11.2021

In this episode, Bob’nJoyce explore the importance of finding respite and meaningful work in a dispirited, confused world. We have been through a lot these last two years and many of us are trying to figure out what we need going forward to be fulfilled and happy. This is a messy but worthwhile pursuit. In this episode, you will get: Ideas for leaders on how to navigate in turbulent times Strategi...

Episode 44: When Work Works – Merits of a Large Organization 18.11.2021

This week, Bob’nJoyce take on the merits of working in big organizations. With a record number of Americans quitting their jobs, they suggest that people just might find meaning and fulfillment in a large organization. Big companies are too often regarded as impersonal, bureaucratic, and rigid. Bob’nJoyce take on this myth based on their experience. In this episode, you will learn: Why big compani...

Episode 43: Why Employee Benefits Matter Now More Than Ever 10.11.2021

In this episode, Bob’njoyce explore the importance of employee pay benefits to reflect an organization’s culture and values. All too often, employers mimic the market to determine what benefits to offer employees. While this is an important data point, an organization must also factor in its values and culture. Why this conversation now? Many companies, small and large, are struggling to pivot fro...

Episode 42: Asking “What if…” – A Powerful Idea Generator 02.11.2021

In today’s episode we explore a brainstorming technique called, “What if…”, a conversation exercise that unleashes creativity, innovation, and new ideas. Bob’nJoyce take on the topic of the seismic change in the workplace resulting from two years of Covid disruption. Many organizations are returning to the old way of work despite worker resistance and resignations. Using the “What if” technique is...

Episode 41: HR/OD’s Duty to Speak Truth to Power 26.10.2021

Blind spots exist in every organization. They conceal organizational truths, that when left uncovered, hinder effectiveness and stifle innovation. In this episode, Bob and Joyce explore HR/OD’s responsibility to speak truth to power. This important HR/OD role requires courage and determination to confront taboos and tip sacred cows. In this episode we uncover: Why speaking truth to power is so imp...

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