Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford

Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD

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The Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD podcast, hosted by Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford, is for Human Resources and Organizational Development change-makers committed to bold work in an era that calls for the skills, values and partnership of these two disciplines. Bob and Joyce are former HR and OD C-suite executives who share their successes, failures, and hacks. They believe that it's an exciting time for this work and give specifics around acquisitions, policy nightmares, and grand moments. This podcast is to support your work and to take a moment to step away from the daily chaos. Come o...

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Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford

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Business

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bobnjoyce.fireside.fm

Latest episode

Jul 8, 2026

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Episodes

Episode 40: Overcoming Burnout - An Interview with Joe Doty 18.10.2021

In today’s podcast, our guest, Joe Doty, shares how to be aware of and overcome workplace burnout. Joe is Executive Director at Feagin Leadership Program and Duke School of Medicine Leadership Development Program (LEAD). Nowhere has burnout been more prevalent than for frontline medical workers. In his role at the Duke School of medicine, Joe has seen close-up the impacts of burnout on medical pro...

Episode 39: 7 Smart Strategies for Self-Management in Tough Times 11.10.2021

Chaos and uncertainty has become the new normal and, as a result, we find ourselves at the beginning of the learning curve to cope. In this episode, Bobn’Joyce suggest strategies to not only survive, but thrive when chaos and uncertainty exist. You will get: 7 clear strategies to navigate tough times Why being in the ‘murky middle’ is an opportunity to create and innovate The power of storytelling...

Episode 38: Nobody Likes Pain - Especially Organizational Pain 28.09.2021

In this episode, we explore the sources and implications of organizational pain. HR/OD and leadership have a role in addressing organizational pain that is often murky and unsettling. So what to do? That question is opened-up, examined, and learnings teased out based on real stories. In this episode: • You will learn why ignoring pain almost never works • The role of managers and HR/OD in addressi...

Episode 37: Let’s Get Goofy – The Power of Humor 21.09.2021

In this episode, Bob’NJoyce explore the benefits, and yes, the power of humor. More and more, organizations are declaring humor as a value. Leaders who are seen as not taking themselves too seriously, connect better with employees and put them at ease. So what is going is going here and why more now than ever? We take this on and discuss: • Why humor and play softens the system, loosens thinking,...

Episode 36: All Things HR 14.09.2021

In this episode, Bob’nJoyce get granular on all things HR. Joyce interviews Bob on the arc of his career in HR and his perspectives on the power of HR when aligned with OD and leadership. In this episode we: Provide examples on how to break into and grow in HR Discuss the multifaceted nature of HR which is what attracts and, at times, frustrates practitioners Discuss the balance of attending to th...

Episode 35: A Conversation with John Vegas on HR/OD's Impact 07.09.2021

In this episode, our guest, John Vegas, speaks about the role of HR/OD in an organization’s success. Over a thirty-year career, John has worked in many roles in both HR/OD across diverse industries, and ultimately led several high impact HR/OD functions. In this episode, you will: Witness John’s passion for unleashing the potential of individuals and organizations Get sage advice on creating power...

Episode 34: See Your Blind Spots (or Else) 31.08.2021

Blind spots can be the Achilles heel of leadership. In this episode, we explore why our blind spots hinder our effectiveness and an organization's success. The problem is that we all have them. In this episode, we: • Explore what blind spots are. • Discuss our personal blind spots and how we ‘see’ them. • Review the most common leadership blind spots. • Focus on what leaders can do to ‘see’ their...

Episode 33: Mentoring – A Catalyst for Development 24.08.2021

The saying, “When the student is ready, the teacher will appear,” is at the heart of successful mentoring. In this episode, we will explore mentoring programs and why some work but many don’t. The dilemma that unfolded in today’s podcast is that while the merits of mentoring relationships are critical to organizational success, both Bob’nJoyce had bad experiences with formal mentoring programs. In...

Episode 32: Workplace Reinvention – An Opportunity 17.08.2021

Organizations are grappling with reinventing their workplace to attract and retain talent. In this episode, Bob’nJoyce noodle over what is possible when companies are imaginative and courageous in rethinking their workplaces. We riffed: The assumption/myth that workplaces will return to pre-Covid norms Why it may be time to throw out the old HR handbook What employees value and therefore will dema...

Episode 31: The Role of Third-Party Facilitation in HR/OD 10.08.2021

Third Party Facilitation (TPF) is an underappreciated role that HR & OD practitioners play. In this episode, we explore the importance and complexity of TPF. Most third-party facilitations are confidential. Many involve conflict or very intimate situations that must be held in confidence. When there is a power differential involved, the work is more complex. TPF is not coaching and is not ther...

Episode 30: College Recruiting – An Innovative Approach with Extraordinary Results 03.08.2021

How does a food grocer from Maine launch a college recruiting program that attracted graduates from prestigious colleges and universities? In this episode, we explore one company’s innovative, counterintuitive approach to hiring high potential college graduates into an accelerated learning program. The program was called the Retail Management Trainee Program (RMT), an ordinary name that produced e...

Episode 29: Stepping Into the Unknown 27.07.2021

Looking ahead there are more unknowns for families, institutions, and organizations as we emerge from the pandemic. In today’s episode, we take on the discomfort and demands of stepping into the unknown. For leaders, the ability to adroitly navigate the unknown is a core competency. We explore what that looks like and how it can be learned. In this episode we discuss: • The importance of constant...

Episode 28: Why Leaders Need To Be More Curious 20.07.2021

In this episode, Bob’nJoyce explore why curiosity is a critical 21st Century leadership skill. It isn't a flavor of the week trend. Curiosity is the bedrock of creativity and imagination. Without it, there is no innovation or creativity. Crisis or radical change demands new ideas. This is where being curious comes in. Problem is, it’s not easy for many leaders. We discuss: —how trauma can freeze-o...

Episode 27: Hats Off to HR/OD Heroes 13.07.2021

This episode salutes front line HR/OD professionals who do the tough work every day to move people and organizations forward. These heroes must thread the needle on what is best for the organization and employees while staying grounded. In this episode, we discuss: • Speaking truth to power • The dance between proactive and reactive mode • Wrestling with thorny challenges and dilemmas • Going from...

Episode 26: Managing Versus Leading 06.07.2021

In this episode, Bob and Joyce talk about the difference between leading and managing. They play with defining both and talk about the blend of leading and managing going on today. They mention an assessment tool they think is good for leaders. The important role of a manager today is heightened due to the recruitment slump going on due to Covid. It is the managers of a company who are the key to...

Episode 25: Making Lemonade from Lemons - Creating Good From Nothing 29.06.2021

In this podcast, Bob 'n Joyce talk about unexpected or "no obvious solution" moments where there is no time for a planned OD intervention. They describe what they did in those situations that worked. In different ways, they brought together the people being impacted to create an approach or solution for themselves. Often the success of this kind of experience lessened resistance to larger system c...

Episode 24: Hire Right or Else 22.06.2021

In this episode, Bob 'n Joyce talk about the hiring process and the demand on HR/OD to get it right. There is nothing more important to a company’s success than hiring the best people and too many companies aren’t. We explore what’s not working and brainstorm ideas to make your hiring process a powerful differentiator. In this episode, you will get: • Why right now is a great opportunity to attrac...

Episode 23: Guided Imagery – A Powerful Alignment/Visioning Tool 15.06.2021

In this episode, Bob 'n Joyce share how the use of guided imagery helped kick off a profound culture shift in the Hannaford Supermarkets of New England. They discuss: a specific script of a guided imagery they used with large groups of food retailers to initiate the co-creation of a vision introduced by the new CEO Talk about how a radical method worked and why the CEO was bold enough to give it a...

Episode 22: Confronting Burnout as HR/OD Professionals 08.06.2021

Bob’N Joyce discuss the pervasive issue of employee and organizational burnout. Once a taboo topic, the pandemic has exposed that it is a real condition, that left unaddressed, devastates individuals, teams, and entire organizations. Rethink the responsibilities of employers to their employees amidst changing priorities. Discover how employers can promote resilience. In this episode, we cover: • T...

Episode 21: Seeing Through the Bramble of Internal OD Work 01.06.2021

OD practitioners wear a lot of hats. In this episode, Bob’nJoyce sort through these many hats using the Global OD Model developed by ODN. This model defines the discipline of organizational development and assesses areas for professional development. We discussed: • The multi-faceted work of an OD professional working inside a company and the richness of the work as well as the complexity of the m...

Episode 20: Our Turn - Common HR/OD Flaws and Why They Matter 25.05.2021

Turnabout is fair play. In this episode, Bob’n Joyce discuss common OD/HR leadership flaws and their unintended consequences. HR/OD professionals, like CEO’s, are human and, as a result, imperfect. We all possess flaws that, if left unattended, diminish our impact. Here are a few of the common flaws we discuss: • Acting too small when what is needed is big • Going too bold, too far, too soon befor...

Episode 19: CEO Flaws and Why They Matter 18.05.2021

CEOs are human and, as a result, imperfect. They all possess flaws that if left unattended, diminish both their impact as well as that of the team reporting to them. In this episode, Bob’n Joyce discuss common flaws they have observed and their unintended consequences. Here are some of the common flaws they discuss: • Blind spots – The failure to ask the question, “What am I not seeing?” • The dis...

Episode 18: Culture – An Invisible Power 11.05.2021

A company needs a culture that supports the business and energizes its employees. In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce: • Attempt to define what culture is and why it matters. • Suggest a fun tool to diagnose an existing culture. • Describe an intervention of 2,500 people to co-create a vision and culture. Come in, grab a snack, Welcome!

Episode 17: Honor Thy Managers 03.05.2021

In this episode, Bob’nJoyce focus on line supervisors, and middle managers who are critical to getting the important work done. Unfortunately, this group is often neglected, marginalized and, at worse, maligned. Bob’nJoyce discuss the importance of managers to business success and how OD/HR can design processes that empower and reward them. In this episode, you will get: • Practical and far out id...

Episode 16: 10 Criteria for a CEO/OD Partnership to do Bold Work Together 28.04.2021

In this episode, Joyce shares the criteria that she and the CEOs she's worked with agreed to that enabled them to do bold work. She demonstrates the benefits of forging a partnership where trust, good will, and taking risk, opens the way for impactful interventions and making learning the heart of the organization. Here is a sample of nuggets to be mined in today’s episode : • The benefits of star...

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