Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD
The Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD podcast, hosted by Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford, is for Human Resources and Organizational Development change-makers committed to bold work in an era that calls for the skills, values and partnership of these two disciplines. Bob and Joyce are former HR and OD C-suite executives who share their successes, failures, and hacks. They believe that it's an exciting time for this work and give specifics around acquisitions, policy nightmares, and grand moments. This podcast is to support your work and to take a moment to step away from the daily chaos. Come o...
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Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford
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Jul 8, 2026
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Episodes
Episode 90: Quiet Quitting - Why We Disagree 10.11.2022 24:47
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce explore the term “Quiet Quitting” and why they believe it’s meaning misses the mark. Quiet quitting has gone from a life hack on social media to a global phenomenon. So what is going on? Are people checking out, recalibrating their life balance, or just fed up with toxic workplaces? We jump into the debate with our own research and intuitive instincts to offer our opini...
Episode 89: Promoting an Entrepreneurial Spirit 03.11.2022 18:02
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce explore the conditions that promote an entrepreneurial culture in large organizations. This timely topic, we call it "intrepeneurialism," is what organizations need to compete in today’s marketplace. The problem is many current company cultures do not encourage risk taking, experimentation, and failing forward. We offer ideas that help leaders and OD/HR practitioners cr...
Episode 88: The Death of Performance Appraisals – Part 2 26.10.2022 28:53
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce offer an alternative to dated traditional performance appraisal practices. This is a follow-up to last week's episode (E.87) where we came down on the side of a structured performance conversation between boss and employee several times a year. In this episode, you will get: • Powerful questions that stimulate candid conversations between boss and employee. • A process...
Episode 87: Death of Performance Appraisals 19.10.2022 24:23
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce join the debate about scrapping traditional performance appraisal practices. We suggest that HR/OD replace traditional practices with a less confrontational, more co-equal process between leaders and their direct reports. We discuss practical, simple ways to make this happen: Get rid of grading and complex rating methods that are bureaucratic and don't work. Build a pro...
Episode 86: The Merit of Giving Up 14.10.2022 14:25
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce discuss the merits of giving up and letting go. ‘Giving up’ cuts against the grain of persistence and endurance. Most of us struggle with giving up despite it being the right thing to do in some situations. Why is this an important topic? Many times when you let something go, another opportunity presents itself. So come on in. Grab a snack. Welcome.
Episode 85: Lessons from Gallup on Workplace Unhappiness 06.10.2022 24:35
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce examine lessons from the Gallup organization on addressing the profound disengagement in the workplace. They share the conditions that are necessary for employee well-being based on Gallup’s research. This is a call out for leaders to measure employee engagement as closely as they do sales and profit. OD and HR can play a pivotal role in making this happen. So… Come on...
Episode 84: Emerging OD – Are We Ready? Part 2 27.09.2022 28:22
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce continue exploring the increased demand being put on OD at a time most individuals and organizations are pushed to their limit. We look at how OD has evolved since its inception, what we need to do differently in this new era, and therefore who we need to be going forward. The question is whether OD is ready to step up and into this new space. The stakes couldn’t be hig...
Episode 83: Emerging OD – Are We Ready? 22.09.2022 18:48
In this episode and the next, Bob’nJoyce explore the increased demand being put on OD at a time most individuals and organizations are pushed to their limit. We will rift on how OD has evolved from its inception and what role OD must play going forward. The big question is whether organizations and OD are willing and ready to step up and into this new emerging partnership. So… Come on in. Grab an...
Episode 82: Pushing Through Overwhelm 14.09.2022 25:12
In today’s episode, Bob’nJoyce take on the topic of OD/HR coping with being overwhelmed in a world that overwhelms. The workplace is in a profound shift where what was no longer is, what is isn’t working for too many of us, and what will be is not known. The demands of OD/HR has never been greater. Bob’nJoyce share ideas on how to be at your best in challenging times. In this episode, we explore:...
Episode 81: Leading from Where You Are 07.09.2022 22:04
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce explore how leadership is a state of being, not a position that one holds. They share stories and provide examples how anyone can lead without training or a prescribed developmental path. Not only can one lead from anywhere but given today’s challenges and uncertainty, it is required. Are you ready to lead? If so… …come on in. Grab a snack. Welcome!
Episode 80: Gallup Poll – Engaging Wisdom 31.08.2022 31:52
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce discuss the Gallup Engagement Poll and why it is more relevant today than ever. The 2022 workplace landscape has changed dramatically, but the measure of what makes a great workplace has not. Bob’nJoyce review the attributes that promote the involvement and enthusiasm of employees in both their work and workplace. This is a conversation worth having given the ongoing ‘m...
Episode 79: Slowing Down to Speed Up 23.08.2022 15:12
In today’s episode, Bob’nJoyce hit the pause button to explore ways to up their podcast game. We revisit our commitment conversation (Episode 77) as a test case for what direction Bob’nJoyce Talk OD & HR will take going forward. This November 10th, we celebrate our 2nd year of doing this podcast and see the milestone as an opportunity to sharpen our focus and impact. Come on in. Grab a snack....
Episode 78: OD/HR Steps Out of the Shadows 17.08.2022 21:05
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce examine the role of HR/OD as a stimulator of new ideas and approaches that make organizations work better. This role is the driving force behind HR/OD transitioning from the sidelines to taking the lead shaping their organizations. In this episode, we: • provide examples how OD unleashes the potential of every employee. • Turn cascading communication models upside down...
Episode 77: Re-upping Our Commitment To This Work 10.08.2022 24:10
Today, Joyce and Bob renew and recommit to their relationship of working together. This November, Bob’nJoyce will celebrate their 2nd Anniversary of doing the Bob’nJoyce Talk HR/OD Podcast. They take the time to pause and create the space to discuss where they are in their relationship and new ways to bring energy and revitalization to our work. Today, we… Demonstrate the power of renewal and comm...
Episode 76: Letting People Go – Organizational Moment of Truth 03.08.2022 22:22
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce discuss how to do terminations well. People exiting an organization is common and yet too many terminations are done awkwardly and poorly. In this episode, you will learn why: We don’t like the word, termination. Doing it poorly destroys the trust and bond with those that remain. Done well, dignity and a person’s self-worth remain intact. So come on in. Grab a snack. We...
Episode 75: The Importance of Organizational Rituals 20.07.2022 19:11
In today’s episode, Bob’nJoyce explore work rituals that define an organization’s culture. Rituals (think habit with focus and intention) bring soothing comfort and ground and support organizational success. In this episode we: Describe why leaders and OD professionals need to be aware of and participate in rituals Share examples of rituals that work Address how to create new rituals during disrup...
Episode 74: HR's Bad Rap 12.07.2022 20:40
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce continue their conversation on the bad rap that HR receives. HR is often seen as the compliance police, organizational irritant, and communication black hole. In this episode, we muse about why HR is so critical to an organization’s success despite the bad rap it gets. We also pose the question of whether HR's reputation is getting better (hint - we are going to need yo...
Episode 73: HR - Who Are We? 06.07.2022 29:03
In this episode, Bob'nJoyce talk sports, making choices, and yes, the need for HR to reinvigorate itself. You will learn: • The need to check in before diving into work (warning: we took 5 ½ minutes) • Moving from an HR compliance focus to a dynamic organizational force • The importance of checking into your point of view • HR as supportive structure for a company’s success • 5 skills you need to...
Episode 72: 2022 Culture Change Work – Soothing, Uncomfortable And Needed 28.06.2022 25:47
In Episode 72, Bob’nJoyce rift on needed culture change given our times. Organizations and institutions are under great pressure to change behaviors and processes that no longer serves them. As OD/HR practitioners, we recognize the importance of positive culture change work. In 2022, this is truer than ever. In this episode you will learn: • 4 facts about today’s organizational reality • 3 suggest...
Episode 71: Baptism by Fire – Part Two 21.06.2022 32:19
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce share a story about Bob’s experience co-leading Hannaford’s entry into new markets in Virginia and North Carolina. This is a story about pivotal career moments, immersive learning, facing fear and taking risk. As HR/OD practitioners, putting workers in challenging environments is a best practice that accelerates learning and builds resilience. Some stories are worth tel...
Episode 70: Bold Moves, Cringe-worthy Moments, and Chronic Curiosity 14.06.2022 29:14
In this episode, Joyce shares her story as an emerging OD practitioner at Hannaford Bros. Co., a regional grocer in Maine. Through storytelling, Joyce shares her wisdom on entering an organization, building trust, and introducing much needed change. There are many lessons for OD, and really all of us, about navigating this thing we call life. So come on in. Grab a snack. Welcome!
Episode 69: Baptism by Fire – A Story about Accelerated Learning 07.06.2022 16:32
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce share a story about accelerated learning. It is scary, intimidating, and uncomfortable but is where deep learning happens. This is a Maine story about great Mainers and a Philly boy facing the elements and prevailing. It is an Aesop’s fable on the lessons of real and deep learning for HR/OD practitioners to hear. So… Come in. Grab a snack. Welcome
Episode 68: Being Present – A Gift for You and Others 31.05.2022 29:24
In today’s episode, we explore the benefits of being present and in the moment. Instead of explaining what we mean, we practiced a meditation of being there for each other. Today’s episode is important for HR/OD (and really anyone) as most of us glide through life not noticing what surrounds us, including the people. Come on in (like really), Grab a snack (appreciate it). Welcome (we mean it)!
Episode 67: Winning the Battle for Talent 24.05.2022 22:09
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce, discuss the posting process and its importance to an organization’s success. In the era of Zoom, social media, and recruiting apps, it is easy to forget that posting and hiring is still a high touch process. Companies whose posting process fails to reach beyond their line of sight to find hidden talent are in trouble. The power dynamic between employees and employers h...
Episode 66: Managing External OD/HR Consultants 17.05.2022 27:43
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce delve in the benefits of using external OD/HR consultants while managing the landmines of using them. Whether you are hiring an executive search firm, coach, or OD consultant, there are some commonsense rules of the road to leverage the relationship. Bob’nJoyce bring an unique perspective as they have been both external consultants and internal practitioners. Come learn...
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