Column Five
Best Story Wins
Welcome to “Best Story Wins,” a podcast for marketing and branding professionals looking to unlock their growth potential. Hosted by Column Five—a B2B marketing agency that specializes in brand and content marketing for SaaS companies—each episode features insightful conversations with industry leaders who are winning customers’ hearts and minds by building world-class brands. Tune in to hear expert insights, hard-won lessons, and key strategies to take your own marketing efforts to the next level.
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Episodes
The Small Team Advantage: Turning Size into a Superpower, with Maria Irie of Chili Piper 09.07.2026 32:55
Every designer you know is quietly panicking about the same thing: their Figma hours dropped from 90% of the week to 30%, and nobody told them what to do with the other 60%. Is that a crisis or a promotion? Maria Irie runs brand at Chili Piper with a team of two — and she's spent the last year rebuilding her entire job around AI without losing what makes the brand feel human. She's mid-migration f...
Beige Is What Happens When Nobody's Brave Enough to Be Wrong with Sonja Silveira of Cisco 02.07.2026 48:09
Every AI tool you use was built to keep you happy, not to make you right. That's a problem when "happy" is also the fastest route to content nobody remembers. Sonja Silveira has run content teams at Meta, athenahealth, and now Cisco , and she's done with the idea that AI is either a job-killer or a magic answer box. Her real argument: these tools are optimized for engagement, not accuracy, which m...
AI Made Brand the Only Thing Left That Matters with Adam Morgan of Twilio 25.06.2026 48:49
Twilio used to read like a company built for developers and nobody else. Then it found one word that made every audience feel like they belonged to the same tribe. Adam Morgan , VP of Brand and Creative at Twilio , spent three months finding that word "builder" and watched it turn a stalled rebrand into what he calls lightning in a bottle. He explains why most companies chase logos and color pale...
Taste Is the Only Thing AI Can't Generate (Yet) with Matt Scribner of Atlassian 18.06.2026 38:16
Every brand team is being handed AI tools and told to do more with less. What they're not being told is that without taste and a real idea, the output is just sophisticated noise at scale. Matt Scribner is a growth designer at Atlassian — a company whose brand touches tens of thousands of visitors a week — and he's been inside the AI-enabled design workflow longer than most. His take isn't a sales...
Stop Measuring Brand Like a Performance Channel with Bill Kenney from Focus Lab 11.06.2026 49:30
Every quarter, someone asks you to prove the rebrand paid for itself in dollars. Bill Kenney's answer after 16 years: you're measuring the wrong thing, and the spreadsheet was never going to save you anyway. Bill built Focus Lab into one of B2B's sharpest branding shops by owning a single vertical back when everyone warned him that niching down would scare off clients. He makes the case that brand...
Why Nobody Trusts a Brand They Just Met with Amit Singh 04.06.2026 37:08
You're being outshouted. The average person now absorbs 5,000+ messages a day and reaches for their phone 205 times — and the industry's big answer was to staple "AI-powered" onto the homepage and call it a repositioning. That's not building a brand. It's a withdrawal from the one account you can't overdraw. Amit Singh has spent three decades building brands at Adobe, American Express, Starbucks,...
The Irreducible Part: Taste, Judgment, and the Stories Machines Can't Tell — with Julianne DeVincenzo & Dan Reid from Optimizely 28.05.2026 43:37
Most marketing teams are drowning in output and starving for meaning. The more they feed the machine, the more the machine becomes the creative director — and somewhere in the noise, the person on the other end of the content stopped mattering. In this episode, Josh and Ross are joined by Julianne DeVincenzo , Head of Content Strategy, and Dan Reid , Creative Director — both at Optimizely — two p...
Clarity Wins: Why Taste Can't Be Prompted with Mathew Barnes of IBM 21.05.2026 47:36
Every week, another round of tech layoffs gets explained away with the same two words: artificial intelligence. Meanwhile, the people making those calls have never once asked whether the cuts make strategic sense — or whether they're just making a number go up. Mat Barnes has been building brands for 30 years, survived two back-to-back acquisitions, and now leads brand at IBM . He has opinions abo...
The Death of the Keyword — And What Comes Next with Hadassah Pegado Dalisay of Outreach 14.05.2026 29:56
Your SEO traffic is up. Your pipeline is flat. Something broke, and it's not your team — it's the entire model most B2B marketers were trained on. The buyers who used to find you on Google are now getting their shortlists from ChatGPT, and if you're not in that conversation, you're invisible at the exact moment it matters most. In this episode, Josh and Ross sit down with Hadassah Pegado Dalisay,...
In the AI Age, Taste Is the Last Moat with Avi Ashkenazi of Deel 07.05.2026 49:19
While B2B companies debate whether to "embrace AI," one of the fastest-growing HR platforms in the world is already asking its designers to ship production code, run their own research, and rethink what a UI is in the first place. In this episode, Avi Ashkenazi — Senior Product Design Director at Deel , where 97 product designers work without a physical office, operate directly with the CEO, and a...
The Secret to Building Products People Fall in Love With with Jon Howell of Ramp 30.04.2026 45:28
Most brand teams talk about blurring the line between brand and product. Jon Howell has spent a decade actually doing it — at Twitch, Lyft, Robinhood, Dropbox, and now Ramp. There's a reason that line keeps surviving: most companies aren't set up to erase it. In this episode, Josh and Ross sit down with Jon Howell, who leads brand experience design at Ramp — one of the fastest-moving fintechs buil...
The Force Multiplier Most B2B Brands Are Ignoring with Ryan Hammill of ServiceNow 23.04.2026 46:04
B2B marketing keeps asking why it can't earn the same attention as consumer brands — then keeps writing copy that reads like a product spec sheet. The problem isn't the category. It's that most enterprise marketers confuse explanation with storytelling and call the result strategy. Ryan Hammill, Creative Director at ServiceNow has built campaigns that ran post-Super Bowl and earned 99th-percentile...
Stop Catching Up. Start Doing Something with Asher Rumack of C5 16.04.2026 49:04
Most B2B marketing teams are sprinting to adopt AI and landing in exactly the same place they started — more content, same forgettable results. The problem isn't the tools. It's that nobody stopped to ask what actually needed to change before reaching for them. In this episode, we sit down with Asher Rumack — Column Five's VP of Creative Strategy — who has spent the last year dismantling the idea...
The AI Shortcut That Backfires Every Time with Jason Lankow from C5 09.04.2026 57:13
Everyone’s pumping out content at scale—but it all sounds like it came from the same intern with a chatbot. So here’s the real question: if AI is doing the writing, who’s actually steering the story? In this episode, Column Five co-founder Jason Lankow breaks down the uncomfortable truth most B2B teams are avoiding: AI isn’t a content problem—it’s a brand system problem. While everyone else obsess...
Most AI Advice Is Completely Wrong with Julien Palliere from Column Five 02.04.2026 40:44
AI isn’t replacing your team. It’s exposing how replaceable your thinking is. Everyone’s obsessed with speed—but no one’s talking about the real problem: mediocre work at scale. So what’s actually happening here… is AI making you better, or just faster at being average? In this episode, Josh sits down with Julien Palliere , Business Development Lead at Column Five to unpack how we cut through the...
The Content Mistake Killing Your Growth with Jacqui Morgan 26.03.2026 45:14
In a world flooded with AI-generated noise, most B2B brands are still treating social like a billboard—when it’s actually the front page of their brand. In this episode, Jacqui Morgan, breaks down why most content gets ignored and what it really takes to earn attention, build trust, and drive results. We get into why social is a business driver (not a support channel), why chasing the algorithm is...
AI Just Changed Content Marketing Forever with Lexi Croisdale from Varonis 19.03.2026 43:16
Google used to be your gatekeeper. Now an AI can summarize your entire category… and forget your brand exists. In this episode, Lexi Croisdale Director of Global Content Marketing at Varonis breaks down what happens when search stops being clicks and starts being answers. We talk about why the old SEO playbook is getting cooked by AI discovery (AEO/“AI search”), and how B2B teams need to shift fro...
How AI is forcing CMOs to Adapt and Evolve with Julien Sauvage from Cordial 12.03.2026 35:18
If your product isn’t in the protected AI budget line, you’re about to become an “optional tool” with a UI. In this episode, Julien Sauvage CMO at Cordial delivers the reality check B2B teams don’t want—but need: the AI wave isn’t just changing how software gets built, it’s changing where money goes. And if you’re still running marketing like it’s an infinite-seat-count world, you’re basically try...
The Sea Of Sameness Is Your Opportunity with Devin Bramhall 05.03.2026 54:22
If your B2B “strategy” is still a funnel diagram and a stack of specialists, you’re not building growth — you’re maintaining a bureaucracy with a logo. In this episode, Devin Bramhall , Fractional Chief Growth Officer delivers the uncomfortable truth most teams avoid: B2B companies don’t fail because marketing “needs to do more.” They fail because the funding model doesn’t fit the moment… and the...
The Funnel Is Dead And Your Team Hasn’t Noticed with Matt Hemsley from Asana 26.02.2026 44:43
If your content marketing strategy still depends on gated PDFs and vanity metrics, you’re basically shouting into a void and calling it demand gen. In this episode, Matt Hemsley , Marketing Operations Team Lead at Asana delivers the unsexy truth: the funnel isn’t “broken”—it’s been replaced. He breaks down what happens when AI becomes the new front door, web traffic gets weird, and attribution sta...
The Real Reason Your POV Isn’t Landing with Amanda Verdino from Forma 19.02.2026 46:26
Search isn’t broken—it’s been replaced. Buyers are skipping funnels, ignoring gated PDFs and asking AI to decide who’s credible before they ever talk to sales. If your content still assumes attention is linear, you’re not behind—you’re irrelevant. In this episode, Amanda Verdino , Director of Content Marketing at Forma dismantles the comfortable lies B2B marketers tell themselves about storytellin...
How Loop Marketing is the Answer to the Death of Inbound with Kyle Denhoff 12.02.2026 43:19
Search is decaying, attention is fragmented and AI is rewriting the rules faster than most teams can update their decks. If you’re still planning content like it’s 2019, you’re already invisible. In this episode, Kyle Denhoff , Sr Director of Marketing at HubSpot , pulls the curtain back on what happens after the inbound era. We get brutally honest about why channel-first thinking is dead, how Hub...
The Only Content That Cuts Through with Jillian Hoefer Head of Content at UserEvidence 05.02.2026 49:18
AI proof isn’t “building trust.” It’s getting ignored—or worse, backfiring—because it’s generic, gated, and wildly irrelevant. In a world of risk-averse buying committees and AI-driven discovery, your “best case study” might be your biggest liability. In this episode, Jillian Hoefer (Head of Content at UserEvidence ) delivers the reality check B2B teams keep dodging: buyers don’t need more claims—...
How to Build a Winning Brand in the Era of AI Search with Kevin White Head of Marketing at Scrunch 29.01.2026 44:14
Your brand content isn’t “showing up.” It’s getting summarized, re-ranked, and sometimes straight-up misrepresented by AI—and your pipeline won’t tell you why. In a world where buyers ask ChatGPT first, the homepage isn’t your front door anymore. The chat box is. In this episode, Kevin White (Head of Marketing at Scrunch ) delivers a much-needed reality check on AI Search: there are no true “exper...
AI Content Volume Won’t Save You with Jessica Rosenberg Head of Brand at AirOps 22.01.2026 44:53
Your brand content isn’t “scaling.” It’s getting cloned into beige mush by AI—and your buyers can smell it. In a world where everyone can publish 10x more, “more” doesn’t win. Better wins. In this episode, Jessica Rosenberg (Head of Brand at AirOps ) delivers the reality check B2B teams keep dodging: AI doesn’t make marketing magically faster—it makes mediocre faster. Jessica unpacks why AI search...
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