Steve Fretzin

BE THAT LAWYER

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BE THAT LAWYER is for attorneys who want more freedom, enjoyment and most importantly, control in their career. Topics will include business development, marketing, branding, technology, and law firm growth. The goal is to educate, entertain and share best practices related to these topics, so that you, the listener can get real value. This is primarily an interview show with great guests (attorneys and legal marketing professionals), sharing stories and analogies, as well as engaging in personal discussions that will keep you entertained and coming back week after week.

Author

Steve Fretzin

Category

Business

Latest episode

Jul 9, 2026

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Episodes

Barbara Kaplan: Making Clients the Hero and Finding the Right Ones to Serve 24.07.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Barbara Kaplan discuss: The importance of storytelling in building a compelling professional brand How lawyers can identify and attract their ideal clients Strategies to overcome self-doubt and inner critics in professional development The role of niching and differentiation in legal marketing and client acquisition   Key Takeaways: Lawyers can strengthen their m...

David Schnurman: Building Resilience and Business Through Optimism and Action 21.07.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and David Schnurman discuss: Building a resilient mindset through optimism, reflection, and habit formation Lessons from career pivots and entrepreneurial problem-solving in the legal space Cultivating emotional regulation through gratitude, compassion, and non-judgment Embracing technology and AI to repurpose content and increase professional impact   Key Takeaways:...

Joe Jones: What It Takes to Shift from Lawyer to Founder 17.07.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Joe Jones discuss: The transition from traditional legal practice to entrepreneurship Strategies for evaluating and managing professional risk Tools and systems that support solo and startup legal ventures The mindset and preparation needed to pursue legal tech innovation   Key Takeaways: Successfully transitioning from law firm practice to a tech-driven startup...

Dan Lear: What Lawyers Need to Know About Selling Without Being Salesy 14.07.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Dan Lear discuss: The evolution of modern sales philosophy and methodology Relationship-building and persistence in business development The impact of information access on buyer behavior and expectations Qualifying clients and aligning offerings with real needs   Key Takeaways: Hard-selling and product-pushing tactics no longer resonate in today's market, where...

Gavin Sharpe: Becoming a Rainmaker Starts with Mindset 10.07.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Gavin Sharpe discuss: The role of emotional intelligence and mindset in personal and professional growth Challenges and misconceptions around business development for lawyers The importance of authenticity and strategic networking in rainmaking Personal evolution through coaching, self-awareness, and internal firm collaboration   Key Takeaways: Many lawyers strug...

Janet Falk: Winning More Clients by Becoming the Go-To Legal Expert 07.07.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Janet Falk discuss: The evolving role of public relations and marketing strategies for legal professionals Maximizing visibility and credibility through content and media engagement Leveraging platforms like LinkedIn and newsletters to strengthen personal branding Understanding AI’s impact on online search and credibility in the legal services marketplace   Key T...

Ben Walker: Mastering RFPs to Grow Your Business 03.07.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Ben Walker discuss: Navigating the complexities of government contracting and responding to requests for proposals (RFPs) Strategies for effective employee retention and building long-term professional relationships Lessons learned through costly mistakes in vendor selection and employee hiring Marketing and sales tactics for growing service-based businesses in h...

Sue Kirchner: Making Your Brand the Promise Clients Trust and Remember 30.06.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Sue Kirchner discuss: The role of personal and firm branding in professional services Differentiation strategies in a competitive legal marketplace The evolving dynamics between name-based and value-based branding Branding’s impact on mergers, acquisitions, and business longevity   Key Takeaways: Law firms that remove individual names from their brand and adopt a...

Rafi Arbel: Turning Consistent Effort Into Business Growth and Brand Visibility 26.06.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Rafi Arbel discuss: Persistence is a key element in long-term marketing and outreach The impact of in-person networking on professional relationships Blending digital tools with personal follow-up strategies System-building as a solution for scaling and stabilizing a business   Key Takeaways: Attending legal trade shows and following up with structured CRM tools...

Seth Price: Why Most Law Firm Marketing Fails and What to Do Instead 23.06.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Seth Price discuss: Challenges of marketing and business development for lawyers and law firms Strategic differences between B2B and B2C legal marketing Importance of content creation and personal branding in legal marketing Lessons from entrepreneurial growth and mistakes in legal and digital ventures   Key Takeaways: Lawyers in B2B markets should avoid SEO as a...

Claire Parsons: Reframing Fear and Overwhelm to Build a Career with Intention 19.06.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Claire Parsons discuss: Integrating mindfulness into high-pressure professional environments Navigating mental health challenges while maintaining demanding careers Rethinking traditional views on business development for introverts Building emotional resilience and clarity through intentional daily practices   Key Takeaways: Starting with just one minute of dail...

Shireen Hilal: Winning in a Crowded Legal Market by Putting Clients First 16.06.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Shireen Hilal discuss: Navigating modern law firm strategy in a rapidly evolving legal market Improving internal operations and team culture to boost law firm performance Enhancing client engagement and retention amid budget constraints Leveraging cross-selling and business development tactics within law firms   Key Takeaways: Law firms that prioritize understand...

Christopher Anderson: Creating a Law Practice That Aligns with Your Goals, Time and Values 12.06.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Christopher Anderson discuss: Urgency and intentionality in how professionals approach time and life decisions Operational and structural challenges faced by small and large law firms Personal clarity and value-driven goal setting in legal careers Misalignment between perceived business needs and actual areas for growth   Key Takeaways: Many law firms suffer from...

Adam Ouellette: Why Your Law Practice Is Killing You and How to Fix It 09.06.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Adam Ouellette discuss: The long-term impact of unmanaged stress in the legal profession Shifting from reactive to responsive behavior in work and life The necessity of integrating systems, organization, and delegation in law practices Exploring effective breathing and mindfulness practices for emotional regulation   Key Takeaways: Most lawyers suffer from nervou...

Viki Johnston: Learning to Listen, Adapt, and Reflect for Stronger Teams and Leadership 05.06.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Viki Johnston discuss: Navigating the transition from individual contributor to effective leader Developing communication skills that foster trust and clarity Understanding how mindset and self-awareness shape professional success Using behavioral tools to improve collaboration and team dynamics   Key Takeaways: Role-playing in training helps managers safely prac...

Ben Chiriboga: How Lawyers Can Reinvent Themselves With Intention and Courage 02.06.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Ben Chiriboga discuss: Career reinvention for lawyers beyond traditional legal roles Relationship-building as a foundation for personal and professional success Internal mindset shifts needed for meaningful career growth Fear as a driving force behind both success and stagnation   Key Takeaways: Building a sustainable legal career requires deliberately cultivatin...

Nick Augustine: Creating Connection and Legacy in Your Practice 29.05.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Nick Augustine discuss: Authenticity in legal careers and professional identity Branding, marketing, and business development in law Career reinvention through personal values and experience The connection between human storytelling and client trust   Key Takeaways: Lawyers should humanize their brand by sharing personal interests (e.g., hobbies, family life) on...

Howard Ankin: Finding Business Growth through Ethical Branding and Advertising 26.05.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Howard Ankin discuss: The strategic use of media and marketing in legal services The evolving role of lawyers in both legal practice and business development Building personal and firm-wide brand equity in competitive industries Adapting to modern client behaviors and expectations   Key Takeaways: Focus on ethical, long-term brand visibility rather than chasing t...

Cecilia Poullain: The Power of Speaking Up and Refusing to Shrink 22.05.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Cecilia Poullain discuss: The intersection of personal transformation and professional identity Navigating and overcoming fear through self-expression The power of storytelling in reclaiming one’s voice Shifting from traditional career paths to more authentic, purpose-driven lives   Key Takeaways: To overcome fear of public speaking or visibility, engage in pract...

Mark Murphy: Why Law Firms Keep Hiring the Wrong People 19.05.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Mark Murphy discuss: The challenges and nuances of hiring the right talent for law firms The critical distinction between attitude and skills in recruitment How leadership traits can hinder effective hiring decisions Practical strategies for improving the legal hiring and interview process   Key Takeaways: Eighty-nine percent of new hires fail due to attitude iss...

Susie Pontefract: Servant Leadership that Unlocks Team Potential in a Diverse Workforce 15.05.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Susie Pontefract discuss: Evolving leadership across generational landscapes Embedding purpose-driven organizational strategies Building cultures of human potential Personal values shaping leadership impact   Key Takeaways: Leadership requires letting go of ego and creating intentional space for others to step in, lead, and grow through a foundation of trust, mut...

John Morgan: Blueprints for Organizational Transformation 12.05.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and John Morgan discuss: Business growth and scaling strategies Importance of partnerships and accountability Technological innovation in professional services Entrepreneurial mindset and vision   Key Takeaways: Successful businesses balance proactive growth (“catching fish”) with strong operations (“cooking fish”) for sustained efficiency. Clear, data-driven systems...

Gerard Virga: Turning Client Crisis into Clarity with Structure, Tools, and Communication 08.05.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Gerard Virga discuss: Navigating emotional complexity and client crises in family law Evolving business development practices in solo and small firm legal settings Expanding legal services through education, technology, and content creation Managing personal and professional balance to prevent burnout in law practice   Key Takeaways: Direct, relationship-focused...

Tim Sawyer: Building Better Businesses Through Grit, Empathy and Execution 05.05.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Tim Sawyer discuss: Mentorship and mastermind groups as catalysts for professional growth Universal business models shaping success across industries including legal Emotional authenticity as a foundation for impactful branding and client engagement Discomfort as a necessary stage in the journey toward meaningful progress   Key Takeaways: Professionals who admit...

Tyson Mutrux: What Every Lawyer Needs to Know About Mindset, Money, and Operations 01.05.2025

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Tyson Mutrux discuss: The importance of cultivating the right mindset for professional growth Building and scaling a law firm through strategic hiring and systematized operations The power of networking and targeted referrals in developing a legal practice Utilizing peer groups, coaching, and mentorship as tools for continuous improvement   Key Takeaways: Mindset...

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