Cynthia Winward, Susan Hinckley

At Last She Said It

Religion EN ↓ 269 episodes

At Last She Said It is a podcast that seeks to amplify and explore a variety of voices, stories, ideas and experiences of Mormon women.

Author

Cynthia Winward, Susan Hinckley

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Religion

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www.atlastshesaidit.org

Latest episode

Jun 30, 2026

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Episodes

Episode 144: Messages to our Daughters | Part 2—To Our Young Selves 13.06.2023

If you had the opportunity, what would you say to young Latter-day Saint girls about things like patriarchy, priesthood, women's roles, the messages they receive at church, and how those messages should be weighted as they approach the big life decisions ahead? What would you say to your own young self? Episode 144 is Part 2 of our conversation about things ALSSI listeners want the Church's kids t...

Episode 143: Get Used to Disappointment | A Conversation with Dr. Julie Hanks 06.06.2023

"Your job as an adult is to disappoint people." So said Dr. Julie Hanks the first time she was on the ALSSI podcast. In Episode 143, she joins Cynthia and Susan to talk more about actually applying that statement in our lives and relationships. Why might it be hard for Latter-day Saint women to believe our choices don't have to please everyone—or even anyone—else?

Episode 142: Messages to our Daughters | Part 1—About Girls and the Sacrament 30.05.2023

One of the questions Cynthia and Susan hear most often comes from mothers who write, "My daughter is asking when it will be her turn to pass the sacrament….what should I say?" They took this question to listeners and in Episode 142, voices from the ALSSI community share answers. It's a broad conversation about women and priesthood featuring a diversity of ideas, experiences, and perspectives.

Episode 141: The Making of Biblical Womanhood | A Conversation with Beth Allison Barr 23.05.2023

Can faithful women reject patriarchy? Beth Allison Barr's book, The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth, suggests the answer is yes. Her book is a compelling 'untelling' of the story of patriarchy as divinely appointed truth. In Episode 141, Cynthia and Susan are joined by Dr. Barr for a conversation about historical forces that have shaped women's roles...

Episode 140: Does That Scripture Mean What You Think it Means? | A Dance with the Ten Virgins 16.05.2023

Every church goer has probably heard more lessons about the wise and foolish virgins than they can count. Why do Latter-day Saints love to talk about this parable so much? And why do we seem to be so attached to one interpretation of it? In Episode 140, Susan and Cynthia try to shake up the same old conversation about this story—and the women in it—by asking a few new questions, and imagining new...

Episode 139: BONUS—Let's Talk About Garments...at last! | More with Afton Southam Parker 12.05.2023

What would you say if you had the ear of the people in charge of designing garments? Afton Southam Parker came prepared with a 37 slide PowerPoint presentation, based on her own experiences and those of many other women who wear them. The meeting was a masterclass on many of the communication tips she talked about in Episode 138. In bonus Episode 139, she joins Cynthia and Susan to review her pres...

Episode 138: Finding Your Voice...and Using It | A Conversation with Afton Southam Parker 09.05.2023

Bringing attention to issues affecting Latter-day Saint women requires us to be opportunistic about using our voices. Even those in leadership callings don't always find their ideas and opinions are welcome. And when chances to be heard do arise, the power dynamic of our culture and organization may make it hard for a woman to find the courage to express a non-traditional view. In Episode 138, Cyn...

Episode 137: Let's Talk About Healthy Relationships | A Conversation with Meghan Decker 02.05.2023

In close relationships, sometimes it's difficult to differentiate between a loved one's side of the road and our own. We may develop unhealthy or unbalanced behavioral patterns. Codependency is one word used to describe what happens when we begin internalizing someone else's emotions, or allow our well-being to become dependent on their behavior. We may try to fix, rescue, or control them. In Epis...

Episode 136: Let's Talk About The One True Church 25.04.2023

"I know this church is true." Many Latter-day Saints rely on this anchor phrase when bearing testimony, but what do the words really mean? What are the implications—good and less so—of believing an organization carries the divine stamp of approval? Could devotion to a label like 'The One True Church' come with a shadow side?

Episode 135: What About Religious Trauma? 18.04.2023

What's religious trauma? For some Latter-day Saint women, church may become difficult or even unsafe because of it, yet many members have probably never heard of it. In episode 135, Jana Spangler joins Cynthia and Susan for a discussion of some of the ways trauma may manifest in our church experience, and steps we can take toward healing.

Episode 134: What About Converts? | A Conversation with KC Bramer 11.04.2023

Many Latter-day Saint women have had similar experiences as lifelong Church members. We come up through Primary and Young Women's singing the same songs, going to camp, and participating in correlated lessons and activities. But what about women who convert later in life? In Episode 134, Cynthia and Susan chat with KC Bramer about her experiences before and after joining in her mid 40s. What's att...

Episode 133: BONUS—Ask Us Anything | ALSSI's Third Anniversary Part 2 07.04.2023

Enjoy dessert with Susan, Cynthia, and Blakelee in this continuation of ALSSI's Ask-Us-Anything Third Anniversary podcast celebration.

Episode 132: Ask Us Anything | ALSSI's Third Anniversary 04.04.2023

Please join us for Episode 132 as we celebrate our podcast anniversary with an Ask-Us-Anything conversation, hosted by Blakelee Ellis and featuring listener questions with Cynthia-and-Susan answers! It's a fun, wide ranging discussion packed with women's voices, ideas, and experiences—a perfect way to commemorate 3 years of saying it at last. Bring your own cake!

Episode 131: Speaking in Sacrament Meeting | The Susan Edition 28.03.2023

It sounds simple to say I must love my neighbor as I love myself, but what does that really look like? We have an unfaltering example in Jesus, whose works offered a living reflection of his teachings about the nature of God. The scriptures may be full of unclear translations, contradictory ideas, metaphors that have lost meaning over time, and laws that have lapsed. But Christ's actions show clea...

Episode 130: Speaking in Sacrament Meeting | The Cynthia Edition 21.03.2023

For ALSSI listeners, it'll be no surprise that when Cynthia was asked to speak on the subject of atonement, she pivoted to an exploration of grace. In Episode 130, ideas from her talk inspire a conversation about the relationship between those two words, as well as salvation and healing. Do Latter-day Saints believe in grace? Or are we mostly just confused by it? As we study the New Testament toge...

Episode 129: Three Sisters, Three Experiences | A Conversation with Cynthia, Patricia, and Carolyn 14.03.2023

It's easy to assume that when we're all in the same room, we're hearing, seeing, and experiencing the same things. But this discussion between three sisters shows that living in the same house, growing up in the same family, and attending the same ward and church activities carries no such guarantee. In Episode 129, Cynthia is joined by her two sisters for a conversation about how even Latter-day...

Episode 128: It's Not Easy—A Conversation about Having Hard Conversations | with C.A. Larson 07.03.2023

Latter-day Saint women in a liminal faith space may find it's not easy to know what to say, or to whom they can say it. It can feel scary to share non-traditional thoughts with the people closest to us—a husband or partner, a parent, close friend, or child—or discuss shifts we experience in foundational aspects of our church or spiritual lives. In Episode 128, Cynthia and Susan are joined by thera...

Episode 127: Who Said You Could Wear That? 28.02.2023

Cultural taboos and prohibitions can feel etched in stone for many Latter-day Saint women. Even in things so personal as what to wear to church, we may feel little room to deviate from what's expected. In Episode 127, Cynthia and Susan discuss choices they each make that are counter to the cultural norm. They're small things, but in a church where it can feel like there are no small things, learni...

Episode 126: What About Tithing? 21.02.2023

Got thoughts about tithing? This may be the episode you've been waiting for! There's a lot of emotion tied up at the intersection of money, obedience, temple recommends, and blessings. And what about charitable giving? How is tithing the same as paying to a charity that benefits others? How is tithing different? In Episode 126, Cynthia and Susan explore a diversity of ideas and personal experience...

Episode 125: Women Reading Scripture—A Reflection on Voices Rising | A Conversation with Kajsa Berlin-Kaufusi 14.02.2023

Because the scriptures have been written, translated, interpreted, and most often taught by men, it's not surprising many women don't feel empowered to venture beyond the understanding we've received at church. Women's influence and involvement in the scriptural narrative has been minimized too, leaving only a few female characters with little detail about them. Their role is often glossed over or...

Episode 124: The Holy Work of Activism—A Conversation with Jody England Hansen 07.02.2023

How does your religion influence your activism? And how does your activism influence your personal religious practice? For Jody England Hansen, there's never been a boundary between "What kind of member of the Church are you?" and "What kind of member of the world are you?" She writes,"If you see a need, an injustice, and there is something you can do about it, Jesus calls you to do it." Episode 1...

Episode 123: Reimagining Church 31.01.2023

For some Latter-day Saints, our church services are feeling a little stale. Maybe even boring? If you got a seat on the Imagination Committee, what ideas would you bring for reimagining Sunday worship? How could we make the time we spend meeting together in our wards better? What would inspire and recharge you? What do you wish you might see, hear, sing, say, or do? Where's your holy envy sitting...

Episode 122—BONUS: More about Faith Crisis, with Becky Edwards 27.01.2023

In this bonus episode, Becky shares a few more personal insights about faith journeying. Spoiler: growth is always a good thing.

Episode 121: What About Faith Crisis? A Conversation with Becky Edwards 24.01.2023

You may or may not call it a faith crisis, but many Latter-day Saints experience a seismic shift at some point that calls into question the faith we thought was settled. Suddenly we no longer feel sure about things to which we used to testify wholeheartedly. Though individuals experience the details differently, sudden uncertainty about foundational beliefs can feel frightening, isolating, even ho...

Episode 120: Not Of the World? Not So Fast! 17.01.2023

Latter-day Saints talk a lot about the wicked world: how it's getting more wicked, how it's a sign of the last days, how we're supposed to be in but not of it, how we should protect our families and fortify our homes against it. But what do we mean when we talk disparagingly about it? What are we gaining collectively from embracing a distrust of, or desire to disengage from, the world? And could t...

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