Jeff Cook and T.J. Wilson
Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel
The Enneagram is a map of the human personality. It’s a tool for navigating relationships. It creates language for what motivates us and helps us look at the way we look at everything else. Most importantly the enneagram is a mirror; because sometimes you need help seeing yourself.
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Jeff Cook and T.J. Wilson
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Jul 9, 2026
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Episodes
Saturday Workshop | How do 3s, 6s, and 9s Connect? 09.07.2026 1:16:49
Become a Member : HERE Sign up for Second Saturday : HERE How do Threes, Sixes, and Nines build relationships—and why do they sometimes suddenly detach from them? In this month's Second Saturday workshop, members of the Around the Circle community explore the unique relational strategies of the Enneagram's attachment types. Together we discuss how Threes create environments of success and affirmat...
"Early Access" | Sisters | Enneagram 1 & 6 * Lindsay & Leah 08.07.2026 54:25
We continue our journey into different types of relationships with a SIBLING podcast today. Lindsay and Leah are two sisters who also work together, and we talk about the type of trust that they have built with each other in doing so. We also get into the core differences between 1 & 6 with an interesting discussion on what it means to want autonomy and the differences in how we trust ourselve...
"Inside Story" | The Work for Twos | Candice Michelle Enneagram Coach 06.07.2026 1:26:24
What does the real work of the Enneagram look like for Type Twos? In this episode of Inside Story , Kristin sits down with coach Candice Michelle for a rich conversation about shame, pride, anxiety, and the lifelong practice of self-awareness. Along the way, they explore why Twos often struggle to receive help, how TV characters can illuminate our personality patterns, and why doing "the work" isn...
"Heroes" | Type Nines | Spielberg's "Lincoln" 03.07.2026 7:26:54
In celebration of the nation's 250th Anniversary, we do a deep dive into one of our favorite movies highlighting the best of America : Steven Spielberg's "Lincoln." This is the full 7 hour discussion. If you prefer to listen to it in parts go to : THE MOVIE TYPING PODCAST
The Schewee Family | Enneagram 9, 4 & 7 * Billy, Will, and Sam (plus a big announcement!) 01.07.2026 1:04:34
Big things are happening!!! I'm so excited to announce the launch of my new cohort program in Cincinnati. Joey Schewee and I will be working together to teach a dedicated group of people all about the Enneagram and how to apply it to your life. We will also be joined by Andrew Kohr, a dear friend of mine who is well-versed in the intersection between Enneagram and story work. Applications are now...
"Sacred Frames" | Four Movies That Explain America 30.06.2026 1:46:25
Subscribe. iTunes | Youtube | Spotify What four films best capture the story of America? In this Fourth of July edition of Sacred Frames , Jeff Cook, Sean Palmer, and Mike Yager each build their own cinematic "Mount Rushmore," selecting four films they believe reveal the promises, contradictions, triumphs, and tragedies that have shaped the American experiment. From Far and Away , Do the Right Thi...
Disappointment and Regret | "Atlas of the Heart" : Chapter 3 28.06.2026 43:08
In this week's Reading Room, we dive into Chapter 3 of Brené Brown's Atlas of the Heart : "The Places We Go When Things Don't Go as Planned." Jeff explores boredom, disappointment, regret, discouragement, resignation, and frustration through the lens of the Enneagram, asking what these emotions reveal about desire, courage, vulnerability, and the stories we tell ourselves. Why does disappointment...
Enneagram and Autism | An Interview with Christina Young 25.06.2026 51:16
Parents of neurodivergent children often carry questions, grief, hope, and a fierce love all at once. In this conversation with Christina Young, creator of The Autistic Enneagram and mother of three autistic children, we explore autism, parenting, the Enneagram, and what it looks like to create environments where children can truly flourish—not by changing who they are, but by understanding them m...
Partners | Enneagram 3 & 9 * Braden & Lydia 24.06.2026 49:17
We're traveling to Alaska this week! Braden & Lydia walk us through their relationship as a young 3 & 9; we chat about performance, rest, & meeting each other in the middle. A quick disclaimer for this video - we had some audio issues around the 15 minute mark. They resolve themselves in ~5 minutes but Braden's comments were so good that I didn't want to cut them out! You might also no...
Comparison Continued | "The Atlas of the Heart" Study 23.06.2026 37:06
JOIN US ON TUESDAYS : HERE In this week’s Reading Room, Jeff explores Brené Brown’s discussion of comparison and the surprising emotions that can grow from it: admiration, reverence, envy, jealousy, resentment, schadenfreude, and freudenfreude. Along the way, he reflects on why some comparisons inspire growth while others expose our wounds, how resentment may be rooted in hidden envy and unmet nee...
The Augie Cook Interview | Autism, Gender and Enneagram 8s 22.06.2026 1:10:17
What happens when an Enneagram Eight is also autistic, non-binary, and willing to speak candidly about their inner world? For Jeff’s 50th, he sits down with his oldest, Augie Cook, for a discussion about identity, neurodivergence, gender, family, and the Enneagram. Together they explore what it feels like to move through the world as an autistic person, how sensory processing shapes daily life, wh...
The Space Between Wings | 8↔9 and 9↔1 18.06.2026 30:34
In this episode, we continue our exploration of the spaces between the Enneagram types by examining the shared ground between Eights and Nines, and between Nines and Ones. While these pairings can appear very different on the surface, they often share deeper motivations, struggles, and strengths that reveal the logic of the Enneagram symbol itself. Jeff and Katie discuss themes like guardedness, r...
Siblings | Enneagram 1 & 9 * Veronica and Sara 17.06.2026 56:50
Veronica is back, today with her younger sister Veronica! We talk about what it's like to share a common sense of justice, the difference (and similarities) between "harmony" and "order", and how a 1 and 9 offer each other a lot of balance.
"Inside Story" | The Work for Ones | Dani Cooper Enneagram Coach 15.06.2026 1:18:06
Dani Cooper is a Certified Enneagram Teacher, Coach, and your biggest cheerleader on the road to self-discovery. She helps individuals, couples, and teams identify the patterns keeping them stuck — and grow beyond them into who they were always meant to be. She’s the author of The Enneagram for Christian Couples (2022), and her life’s work is simple: helping people know themselves, love themselves...
"Atlas of the Heart" | Comparison 14.06.2026 37:46
This week in The Reading Room , we continue our journey through Brené Brown’s Atlas of the Heart by exploring "comparison." Join our Tuesday night discussion : HERE As we elevate other topics in ths text, it seems good to sit on this experience for a moment. Drawing from Brown’s research, we examine how comparison shapes our relationships, self-worth, emotional life, and even our sense of the futu...
Saturday Workshop | How do 2s, 5s, and 8s Connect? 11.06.2026 1:21:00
Join us Saturday, June 13th to discuss 369s! : HERE This episode goes some places! In this month's Second Saturday gathering, we explored the Enneagram's Affect Groups (sometimes called Harmony Groups), drawing on the work of David Daniels. The conversation focused on the 2-5-8 triad , often called the Relationists or Rejection Group . Together we explored questions such as: What does it mean to "...
Partners | Enneagram 6 & 3 * Emma & Gregg 10.06.2026 1:02:38
Surprise! We are doing more than just parent/child episodes now. Emma & Gregg have been dating for 5.5 years, and on this episode we discuss what they've learned about each other and what their specific relationship dynamic looks like. We talk about the difference between a 3's anxiety and a 6's anxiety, and we get to really dig deep about what makes each of them feel vulnerable - and why the...
"Inside Story" | The Work for Nines | Joe in Florida 08.06.2026 1:30:45
In this episode of Inside Story , Kristen sits down with Joe, a Type Nine whose journey through recovery, Enneagram work, marriage, parenting, and leadership offers a thoughtful look at what growth can look like for Nines. Together they explore the relationship between the Enneagram and 12-step recovery, the challenge of recognizing and expressing anger, passive-aggression, conflict, self-forgetti...
"Scientific Enneagram" | Episode 2 | PDP 101: An Intro to Dan Siegel's Patterns of Developmental Pathways Framework 07.06.2026 28:30
Dan Siegel's Patterns of Developmental Pathways (PDP) framework is one of the first serious attempts to bridge Enneagram ideas with neuroscience, developmental psychology, and clinical practice. In this episode, I break down the core concepts behind PDP: temperament vs. adaptive strategies, neuroplasticity, the role of "wholeness" in personality development, and the three pillars of the framework...
"Atlas of the Heart" | Chapter 1 : Stress, Vulnerability, and Anxiety 06.06.2026 39:53
Upcoming Reading Room Discussion 📅 Tuesday, June 9 🕢 7:30 PM Eastern / 5:30 PM Mountain / 4:30 PM Pacific 📖 Discussion Topic: Atlas of the Heart , Chapter 1 — Places We Go When Things Are Uncertain or Too Much Sign up for a Free Membership : HERE ___ In this Reading Room episode, Jeff continues our summer study of Brené Brown’s Atlas of the Heart , exploring the emotions and experiences that em...
The Space Between Wings | 6↔7 and 7↔8 05.06.2026 48:04
Jeff and Katie continue their exploration of the numbers that sit beside each type, uncovering how neighboring types share underlying emotional patterns, coping strategies, and ways of moving through the world. They discuss why wings may be more useful for self-awareness than personal growth, the role of instincts and subtypes in Enneagram study, and the surprising similarities between Sixes and S...
Roots | Enneagram 1 & 4 * Molly and Maria 03.06.2026 45:24
Katie talks to a mother/daughter duo that she first met at one of her in-person courses in Cincinnati. Featuring our youngest podcast guest ever (eee!), the trio discuss what it feels like to be a teenage 4, what's important as we grow up and think about what we want our life to look like, and the many different ways that a 1 can show up as a parent.
"Morning Show" | Enneagram and the Head 01.06.2026 1:24:53
This week on the Morning Show, the crew continues their exploration of the Enneagram centers by diving into the Head Center. Jeff, Kristen, Jackie, and TJ discuss fear, certainty, anxiety, planning, and all that emerges through that cognitive, future focus.
Brené Brown's Atlas of the Heart | The Reading Room Intro 31.05.2026 34:11
Sign up for a Free Membership : HERE We've selected our next book. Brené Brown's Atlas of the Heart is one of the most influential books on emotions in recent years, and we're going to talk through it this June and July. The first 2 classes are free to all free members. Register : HERE In this episode, Jeff highlights fifteen key ideas from the introduction that connect emotional awareness, langua...
The Space Between Wings | 3↔4, 4↔5, 5↔6 28.05.2026 43:20
Connect with us at Aroundthecircle.org : HERE Katie Whitlock and Jeff Cook continue their dive into the shared space between adjacent Enneagram types, exploring the emotional and psychological overlap between Threes and Fours, Fours and Fives, and Fives and Sixes. Along the way they discuss authenticity, significance, narcissism, objectivity and subjectivity, emotional processing, rumination, prep...
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