Jeff Cook and T.J. Wilson

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel

Religion EN ↓ 372 episodes

The Enneagram is a map of the human personality. It’s a tool for navigating relationships. It creates language for what motivates us and helps us look at the way we look at everything else. Most importantly the enneagram is a mirror; because sometimes you need help seeing yourself.

Author

Jeff Cook and T.J. Wilson

Category

Religion

Podcast website

www.aroundthecircle.org

Latest episode

Jul 9, 2026

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Episodes

Roots | Enneagram 7 & 4 * Penny and Tori 26.05.2026

n this episode, Katie talks to mother/daughter duo Penny and Tori. We chat about how a 4 navigates life with two independent stance parents, and we ask ourselves an important question: Exactly how much fun can a 7 create at a wedding when given the opportunity to do so? Thank you to Penny and Tori for coming on the show, and if anyone else is interested in being interviewed, don't hesitate to navi...

"Morning Show" | Enneagram and the Heart 25.05.2026

We continue our dive into each of the types and their relationships with their Heart Center, spending most of our time on 9s, 2s, 6s, and 1s. Sign up for a Memebership : HERE

The Enneagram Book Everyone’s Talking About | A Review and Critique 23.05.2026

Find all our material on Dr. Siegel's Book : HERE In this episode, Jeff Cook sits down with Danielle Fuller (Scientific Enneagram) for a deep conversation on Dr. Daniel Siegel’s Personality and Wholeness in Therapy —the book many are calling the most important scientific contribution to Enneagram theory in years. Together they unpack the book’s core framework around agency, bonding, certainty, emo...

The Space Between Wings | 1↔2 and 2↔3 21.05.2026

In this episode of Rewired, Jeff Cook and Katie Whitlock explore the shared space between neighboring Enneagram types through the lens of wings, relationships, posture, and emotional overlap. Rather than treating wings as a way to narrow identity, they ask a different question: what do adjacent types share? The conversation begins with Ones and Twos, unpacking themes like sacrifice, servant-hearte...

Roots | Enneagram 9, 2, & 9 * Suzanne, Mallory, and Emma 19.05.2026

These podcasts are getting bigger and bigger! Today I welcome TWO sisters and their mom to talk about more mother-daughter relationship dynamics. We chat about the similarities between 2s and 9s, and what it's like to give your children space to grow and be themselves. Follow me on Instagram to get updates on new episodes and classes Join our Patreon to get exclusive episodes and access to our mon...

Mistyping Monday | Is Meredith a 2, 3, or 8? 18.05.2026

Mistyping Monday returns! If you want to connect with us on workshops or one-on-ones like this, sign up for a membership at : www.aroundthecircle.org

Heroes? | Type 8 | Magneto and the X-Men (Complete Series) 16.05.2026

From our Movie Typing podcast , this is the full 4 episode discussion of Enneagram eights, heroism, politics, and the movement into villainy with our friend Steve Morris. You can find, Steve's work: HERE

Roots | Enneagram 7 & 1 * Ann and Sara 12.05.2026

My extended family gets featured this week! I am joined by my cousin and my aunt to talk about the dynamics between a 7 mother & a 1 daughter. Their family also includes three younger siblings (triplets!) so we get to talk about sibling dynamics and how a 1 survives being the oldest sister. Follow me on Instagram to get updates on future podcast episodes and classes.

"The Morning Show" | Enneagram and the Body 11.05.2026

A conversation about the body center, instinct, anger, boundaries, and what it means to be present. In this episode of the Morning Show, Jeff, Kristin, Jackie, and TJ explore how each Enneagram center experiences the world through the body—whether through instinct, physicality, control, fear, affection, movement, autonomy, or anger. The discussion moves from tattoos and touch to chronic pain, flow...

Saturday Workshop | 6s and 7s 08.05.2026

In this final session of the series, Jeff and Katie wrap up their exploration of the shadow work of the Enneagram by focusing on Type Six and Type Seven. We unpack the fear, holy ideas and heart’s messages connected to each type, and ask what actually helps move people toward courage, temperance, and greater wholeness. The discussion moves beyond stereotypes and into the lived experience of Sixes...

369s and the Art of Processing | A Conversation with TJ, Kristin and Katie 07.05.2026

This is our final post on Processing Center and Jeff gets to interview Katie Whitlock (3), Kristin Messegee (6), and TJ WIlson (9) about how their types move around the circle.

"The Morning Show" | Head, Heart and Body 04.05.2026

In this episode of The Morning Show , Jeff Cook, Kristin Messegee, and Jackie Contessa explore the three centers of intelligence in the Enneagram—head, heart, and body—but with a broader lens than usual. Instead of focusing only on dominant or repressed centers, the conversation examines how each person relates to all three, and what balance across them might actually look like. They break down ea...

Processing Center | Enneagram 7s and 9s 30.04.2026

Connect with us : HERE In this episode of Rewired , we wrap our discussion on the thinking triad by focusing on Enneagram Sevens and Nines. The conversation challenges common assumptions about these types—especially the idea that they are less mentally engaged—and instead highlights how active and complex their inner processing really is. We explore how Sevens use reframing, anticipation, and poss...

Roots | Enneagram 2 & 3 * Sara and Katie Whitlock 28.04.2026

Katie Whitlock is joined by her mom, Sara, with Jeff Cook stepping in as guest interviewer for a conversation about their relationship. As a Type Two and a Type Three , they explore how their motivations shape connection, attention, and emotional needs within their family. They talk through family dynamics, parenting styles, and what it looked like to grow up in a household with strong relational...

The Morning Show | Recovery 27.04.2026

Connect with us at : www.aroundthecircle.org A conversation on recovery—what it is, how it happens, and why most of us only find it after burnout. The group explores the difference between recovery and renewal, the role of daily habits, and how Enneagram type shapes what “rest” actually looks like. From naming excess and admitting powerlessness to rebuilding balance across the centers, this episod...

The Reading Room | Chapter Four : "Personality and Wholeness in Therapy" 25.04.2026

Join us on Tuesday Nights : HERE In this episode, Jeff works through the opening section of Chapter Four of "Personality and Wholeness in Therapy," by Dr. Daniel Siegel, focusing on how personality forms through automatic processes beneath awareness. The discussion centers on Siegel’s framework of three core motivations—agency, bonding, and certainty—and how these map onto the Enneagram’s centers....

Processing Centers | Fives 23.04.2026

Jeff and Katie step into the final triad—Head types—and the conversation sharpens immediately. Drawing from Joey Schewee's work, they wrestle with what “thinking processing” actually is, pushing past surface definitions into something more precise: the ability to step back, hold multiple conclusions, and move toward the path of least resistance. Along the way, they contrast this with the urgency a...

Fives | Stress and Security Panel 22.04.2026

We had a stellar discussion with Melissa Kircher, Josiah Goff and Nadia Brackett. This is a highly informed, self aware conversation about Five-ness, the Fives relationship with their heart and body, and what it looks like to see the world from their center. If you want to connect with our guests, they can be found below: https://www.instagram.com/nadiaraebrackett/ https://www.instagram.com/josiah...

Roots | Enneagram 3 & 5 * Becket and Kelly Cook 21.04.2026

Katie is joined by Kelly Cook (Enneagram 3) and her son Becket (Enneagram 5) for a candid conversation about what it was like to parent—and be parented—across different personality styles. They talk through real-life moments: learning how to communicate clearly, navigating boundaries, and discovering what each person actually needs.

"The Morning Show" | Burnout 20.04.2026

Burnout isn’t just about doing too much—it’s about getting stuck. In this episode of The Morning Show , Jeff Cook, TJ Wilson, Kristin Messegee, and Jackie Contessa explore burnout through the lens of the Enneagram, reframing it as the result of unprocessed emotional cycles, internal imbalance, and living out of alignment with oneself. Rather than a simple crash after overwork, burnout shows up as...

Processing Center | Enneagram 6s 16.04.2026

Connect with us and comment : HERE FInd Joey Schewee's book : HERE __ What does it really mean for a Six to seek security? In this episode, Jeff and Katie explore the inner world of Enneagram Sixes—how they navigate uncertainty, why they turn to relationships for clarity, and what’s really happening beneath their questions, intensity, and need for truth. Using Joey Schewee’s idea of the “processin...

A Scientist and a Philosopher | An Enneagram Discussion 15.04.2026

Jeff and Dr. Sam E. Greenberg take a thoughtful look at the Enneagram’s place between philosophy and psychology, exploring skepticism, meaning, and what it really means for something to be “true.” Their conversation moves through questions of evidence, face validity, and the tension between data-driven frameworks and the lived reality of transformation. Connect with Sam's fantastic work : HERE

Roots | Enneagram 1 & 2 * Skyler & Jennifer 14.04.2026

Connect with Around the Circle : HERE Follow Katie's work : HERE This episode of Early Access: Roots explores the evolving relationship between a mother and daughter through the lens of the Enneagram. Katie Whitlock sits down with Jennifer (Type Two) and her daughter Skyler (Type One) to unpack how personality, parenting, and personal growth intersect over time. They talk about family dynamics, an...

"The Morning Show" | Our Fixations 13.04.2026

This episode of The Morning Show explores "the fixation"—those oft repeated mental patterns that feel like solutions but quietly limit our freedom. The conversation moves from defining fixation as an “unhealthy preoccupation” into a deeper examination of how each Enneagram type gets mentally stuck. We spend time with all nine types highlighting how each fixation both protects and constrains. This...

"Scientific Enneagram" | Dead Dads and Grief (A Bonus Episode) 12.04.2026

Danielle returns to the Scientific Enneagram podcast to share the story behind her unexpected absence—her father’s sudden transition to hospice the very day the podcast launched, and his passing shortly after. Joined by Melissa Kircher, the conversation moves through grief as it actually unfolds: nonlinear, unpredictable, and often impossible to name. Together, they explore how loss interacts with...

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