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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
In An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar, two previously unlikely friends, Kate and Erika, spill the tea (and maybe a little booze) on the quirks and contradictions of the Mormon church. Recorded at The Break Sports Bar and Grill in South Jordan, Utah, the two share their perspectives as an ExMormon and one who has never belonged to the Mormon faith, both having lived and worked in Mormon Central. Join them as they deconstruct Mormonism, one cocktail at a time.*Warning: This content contains explicit language.*
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Episodes
Clip - Season 2 Ep. 7 - CONFESS! Video 17.07.2025 0:56
Mormon bishops demand that you confess every last juicy detail of your "sins." Nothing creepy at all!
Ep. 23 - Trans-Gression in Mormonism Video 16.07.2025 1:07:10
In this episode, roles are reversed as René takes on the role of cohost and Jaime becomes the guest. Jaime describes the challenges of being a transwoman in predominantly Mormon culture.
Clip - "You'll Be Made Straight in the Next Life" Video 15.07.2025 1:16
Trigger Warning: Suicidal Ideation Author Chris Davis Proud talks about a dark time in her life when she was a closeted member of the Mormon church. While this story has a happy ending, this phenomenal woman certainly experienced some trials. But ultimately, she triumphed, and is using her voice to help others to feel their WORTH. Learn more about her journey, and check out her uplifting book, "Wo...
Clip - The Real, Literal, Absolute, 100% True Story of When This Exmo and NeverMo Met Video 14.07.2025 0:21
When Kate left the Mormon Church, Erika had SO MANY questions. So we started a podcast. This is our origin story. Told in under 30 seconds.
Ep. 22 - Becoming Visible With Special Guest, René Steelman! Video 09.07.2025 1:02:09
A wonderful (substitute) ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar with René Steelman! We loved chatting with this phenomenal woman, and host of the podcast, She Became Visible. When she left the Mormon church after decades of service, she stepped into her own agency, wants, and visibility. Catch her podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/@SheBecameVisible513 .
Ep. 21 - PRIDE With "ExMo Lesbo" Author Chris Davis Proud! Video 01.07.2025 53:16
Chris's story is heartbreaking but ultimately joyful. Growing up in the Mormon Church, she could never live authentically as her true self. But now she is OUT and thriving. And she even shares a tale about telling her bishop exactly what she thought of him! She details this all in her uplifting book, "Worthy." You can learn more about this magnificent human and her upcoming projects at chrisdavisp...
Ep. 20 - Gay Away the Pray! With Guest Sam Nieves Video 24.06.2025 54:54
Your Two NoMos are devoting June to PRIDE! In this episode, we chat with Sam Nieves, of the Conversion Therapy Survivor Network. He talks about his journey out of the Mormon Church after being subjected to the harmful practice of "conversion therapy," and embracing his true self. Finding community and validation through the support of the non-profit for which he works ( conversionsurvivor.org/ ) h...
Clip - Burn it to the Ground! Video 18.06.2025 0:53
After shooting a video in which Two NoMos Kate and Erika attempted to enter a Mormon Temple, and subsequently were met with excruciating hellfire, they were informed this was the wrong approach. So they corrected their error. Hee hee....
Ep. 19 - LIVE at PRIDE With Author Jonathan Alder! Video 17.06.2025 52:54
Two NoMos Kate and Erika had the opportunity to sit down with author Jonathan Alder at the Utah Pride Festival. He wrote the book Closeted about his experiences as a gay student at BYU. His story is heartbreaking, poignant, and ultimately joyful and healing, as he has stepped into his true self, and is living authentically and thriving! His book is available at https://www.amazon.com/Closeted-Lif...
Ep. 18 - An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a PRIDE Festival! Video 10.06.2025 48:28
Two NoMos go LIVE for the first time at the Utah PRIDE Festival! It's a little loud, it's a little messy, it's a lot colorful, but so is life. Happy PRIDE, Everyone! Kate and Erika were at the Conversion Therapy Survivor Network booth, raising funds for this important and impactful organization. If you are looking for this type of support, or you would like to support the wonderful work this organ...
Clip - Utah PRIDE Was Full of LOVE! Video 09.06.2025 0:06
Two NoMos had too much fun at Pride With Gay Jesus!
Clip - Transphobia in the Mormon Church Video 06.06.2025 0:44
The Mormon church humiliates trans folks who dare to attend services by demanding that they be escorted to use the restroom, but is perfectly fine with sending children in to be alone with bishops who ask them VERY intimate questions. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE....
Clip - Two NoMos Walk Into a Pride Festival! Video 05.06.2025 0:31
Two NoMos had a blast at Daybreak Pride! We'll be celebrating Pride all throughout the month of June. Happy Pride to everyone!!!!
Ep. 17 - Kicking Back With Gay Jesus to Kick Off PRIDE! Video 03.06.2025 54:13
What better way to celebrate PRIDE than to hang with Gay Jesus (aka Ryan Barlow)? He shares his evolution from devout member of the Mormon church, to beacon of hope, love, and support for the LGBTQ community as rainbow, sparkly Jesus.
Clip - (Gay) Jesus Christ! Video 03.06.2025 0:59
To open season two of our podcast, we had a very special, vey bedazzled, sparkly guest. It was magical!
Clip - Impromptu Photoshoot With Gay Jesus! Video 30.05.2025 0:09
We had so much fun with guest Gay Jesus aka Ryan Josiah aka Ryan Barlow, that we decided to have a quick, impromptu, informal photoshoot with him after the recording! This first episode of season two drops on Tuesday, June 3.
Clip - Season Two Opens With GAY JESUS! Video 29.05.2025 0:55
Two NoMos have been on a short recording break to gear up for lots of upcoming events and engagements. But next Tuesday, June 3, we're back, Baby! We open season two with very special guest, "Gay Jesus," aka, Ryan Josiah. Spoiler alert: he is neither Jesus nor gay. But he is a local Salt Lake celebrity and activist, fighting the good fight for marginalized groups, particularly LGBTQ. And we were s...
Clip - A Trying Moment - The Mormon Temple Without a "Recommend" Video 19.05.2025 1:31
Folks without a Temple "recommend" are not permitted to enter the Mormon Temple. We didn't realize how dire the consequences would be for doing this... Erika tries the Temple for the very first time, and Kate returns for the first time after leaving the church. Don't try this at home, kids.
Clip - A Trying Moment - Kate Tries a New Swear Word! Video 18.05.2025 0:18
Can Kate say "See You Next Tuesday"? Find out in this Trying Moment!
Clip - The Casual Racism of "Good" Mormons Video 17.05.2025 0:41
Nothing like "good" Mormons telling racist jokes. Thanks to Channel Achenbach for sharing her afternoon and her story with us!
Clip - Mormon Temple Cult Ceremony Video 16.05.2025 1:17
Women are asked to "cover their faces" during parts of Mormon Temple ceremonies. This is a quote from a woman whose sister had a panic attack and broke down sobbing the first time she went through the Temple. None of her friends or family were permitted to comfort her, as everyone is required to keep their heads down and plow through the ceremony.
Clip - The Mormon Temple Is Mysterious and Exclusive Video 08.05.2025 0:27
Like Jesus, the Mormon Temple is exclusive and unavailable to many. Wait a minute...
Ep. 16 - Temple (REALLY Do Not) Recommend Part Two Video 06.05.2025 1:04:34
The Mormon Temple and all its rituals are creepy. In this episode, the Two NoMos dive further into the cult-like rituals and share some terrifying quotes from ExMormons who went through the Temple and came out scathed and traumatized.
Ep. 15 - Temple (Do Not) Recommend Video 29.04.2025 53:58
To enter the Mormon Temple, a member needs a "recommend." In other words, one needs to be deemed "worthy" enough, and of course, the hefty tithing needs to be paid. God always needs money. While this flies in the face of everything espoused by Jesus (the man, the myth, the legend - however you conceive of this figure), it also doesn't seem to be quite worth it. Once members are "inside" and have t...
Clip - Sexual Shame Is Not Just for Women in the Mormon Church Video 25.04.2025 3:34
On his mission for the Mormon church, Bryan went to his bishop, distraught by some natural feelings he was having as a young man. Instead of normalizing this, the bishop asked him a humiliating question and shamed him.
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