An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast

After a person leaves the Mormon faith, they're often left asking themselves, now what? Where do I find spirituality now? In this episode, Kate talks with fellow exmo Courtney Pearl about her spiritual path within paganism. They discuss relationship with the earth and ritual for the holidays.

The new patriarch is in town! In this episode, Kate & Erika discuss the Mormon church's new prophet, Dallin H. Oaks. The man comes with controversy and they unpack it with their signature humor, empathy, and cocktails.  Recorded in Salt Lake City this podcast is NOT intended to strengthen the faith of members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Listener discretion is advised. P...

Megan Conner shares her inside perspective on the Lori Vallow murders, with René Steelman stepping in for Kate.

Mormon missions are grueling. Kate reveals all the strict, oppressive rules missionaries must adhere to while providing FREE labor to the church as sales reps who pay for their own missions. It's basically an MLM from hell, with no hope of ever making so much as a penny in return....

Abusers, manipulators, groomers are all allowed to stay in the Mormon church. Some are even promoted to the upper echelons of leadership. But Natasha Helfer was excommunicated for refusing to say things like "Masturbation is a sin." This is her s(ex) communication story.

Megan Conner is a remarkable woman with a remarkable story. In this episode, she discusses recovery after being trafficked as a seven-year-old child, and leaving an abusive marriage as an adult. Now she is thriving and using her voice to help others. Special thanks to René Steelman for stepping in once again as a stellar co-host! If you aren't already listening to her podcast, "The Midlife Revolut...

Being forced to do things in the sack is a-ok according to the Mormon church, as long as it’s to “keep your family together.” 😳🤮 Two NoMos loved chatting with Joe Rawlins on this episode of, “An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar…”!   Check out Joe's podcast, "The Church of Korihor," here: https://www.youtube.com/@hellfireagency .

Two NoMos continue to explore the lies, fabrications, and discrepancies from the Mormon church that were exposed by the CES Letter. Joe Rawlins lends his expertise. Check out his podcast, "The Church of Korihor," here: https://www.youtube.com/@hellfireagency

Joseph Smith was a fraud and a scheister. There is SO MUCH information readily available to refute most of his claims, it’s bonkers that there is even a single member left in the Mormon church. Two NoMos absolutely LOVED chatting with Rob Tobler on this episode of our podcast, “An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar…”! You can find more of Rob's content here: https://www.tiktok.com/@president_pleas...

Two NoMos dive further into the lies exposed by the CES letter with special guest, Rob Tobler. You can find more content from Rob on TikTok at @president_please_help_me .

Most people are annoyed when the Mormon missionaries come a knockin'. Erika is not most people...

All of Erika's hairs stood on end when she heard this talk by Alyssa Grenfell at the Sunstone Symposium. Abuse of children is actually baked in to the structure of the church.  Bone chilling. Check out the podcast, "Architecture of Abuse" at https://architectureofabuse.com/ to learn more.

Mormons like to say they are "In the world but not of the world." But the very worldly messaging young missionary men receive is anything but pious, and about as basic and worldly as you can get...

Kate and Erika had a phenomenal time at the Sunstone Symposium, attending talks by Natasha Helfer, John Dehlin, and Alyssa Grenfell. In this episode, they discuss the highlights.

Guest René Steelman's son died on Christmas Day. Because she had recently left the Mormon faith, no one from the church bothered to reach out to her with comfort. Their "love" was conditional on her being a member. Which is to say, not really love at all. Check out this phenomenal woman's podcast, "She Became Visible," here: https://www.youtube.com/@SheBecameVisible513/videos.

The CES letter that highlights all the hypocrisy, falsehoods, and discrepancies of the Mormon church broke Kate's "shelf." So she informed her bishop with confidence and in no uncertain terms that she was leaving.

Clip - Kate, Erika, and René discuss the excommunication of therapist Natasha Helfer from the Mormon church for sharing factual information with her clients. She refused to spread the harmful messaging that masturbation is a "sin," and so she got the boot.

It’s been two years since Kate left the LDS Church—and what better way to mark the occasion than with a deep dive into the infamous document that helped blow her shelf to smithereens? In this episode, Kate and Erika unpack the CES Letter: what it is, how it landed, and why it continues to shake testimonies and stir up existential crises across Mormonism. Expect laughter, tears, a little righteous...

We tried, we really tried to get through a significant chunk of and episode of Ward Radio" with Joe Rawlins on his podcast, "The Church of Korihor." But these Two No Mos just couldn't keep their mouths shut when preposterous statements were made by the show's hosts. See the full video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3orkcY7uU8&t=3551s

In this episode, an ExMo and a NeverMo and another ExMo talk about the effects of Mormonism on mental health. Buckle up for some deep conversations, laughter, and an announcement about the future of the podcast! Check out the article from the Deseret News: https://www.deseret.com/2023/6/20/23759342/latter-day-saint-mental-health-research/ Recorded at Land of a Thousand Hills in South Jordan, UT, t...

Kate and Erika had a wonderful chat with Jonathan Alder, who wrote “Closeted,” about his experiences as a gay student at BYU. Spoiler alert: The experiences were not good. You can find his book here: amazon.com/Closeted-Life-Gay-Student-Memoir-ebook/dp/B0B3JFGRGB

Sam Nieves is gaying away the the pray! While he underwent destructive and traumatic conversion therapy, where he was praised for h@ting himself, he is now healing and thriving and helping others to do the same through the Conversion Therapy Survivor Network. You can find more information about his impactful non-profit here: www.conversionsurvivor.org #AnExMoandaNeverMoWalkIntoaBar   #TwoNoMos   #...

Chris Davis Proud reads from her book, “Worthy.”  What an honor it was to hear this “ExMo Lesbo’s” story, from trials to triumph. She is using her voice to help others find theirs.  ♥️🧡💛💚💙💜 You can find more information about her and her book here: chrisdavisproud.com .

Kate embraces feminism. Erika, as usual, roars.   We loved being guests on the Podcast, "The Church of Korihor" with Joe Rawlins! We discussed everything from feminism to sex to the brilliant film Heretic. It was a hoot! See the full video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3orkcY7uU8&t=3551s