Work Is Third

How do you make time for yourself while still showing up for others? In this lighthearted and honest bonus clip, Dawn and Lynn swap stories about self-care, boundaries, and the body changes no one warns you about. From walking the dog and wearing sunscreen to navigating perimenopause and hot flashes in public, Lynn reminds us that taking care of ourselves is a lifelong practice—and humor helps. Th...

What does it mean to lead with heart —and stay grounded when everything changes? In this warm and reflective episode, Dawn reconnects with her former boss and friend, Lynn Gallagher , former Secretary of Health for New Mexico. Together, they share stories of friendship, grief, leadership, and joy—from mismatched earrings and “Power Squad” calls to lessons learned through loss and career transition...

Do you rest hard? In this Work Is Third bonus clip, Tyneka Pack , founder of Impackt Fitness , reminds us that joy, rest, and boundaries are just as essential to leadership as drive and discipline. From laughing about her love of cookies to reflecting on what truly brings her childlike joy, Tyneka offers a refreshing take on what it means to fill your own cup. She shares how overbooking herself re...

Is your body strong enough to sustain your ambition? In this episode, fitness coach and founder of Impackt Fitness , Tyneka Pack , joins Work Is Third to talk about what it really means to sustain your ambition — not just chase it. From building a body that can carry your vision to embracing mindset shifts and the power of flexibility, Tyneka shares how high-performing women can lead with intentio...

Freddy Jackson, founder of the Love...No Ego Foundation , shares how he says yes to love —even when that means saying no to something else. In this short and soulful bonus clip, Freddy talks about protecting his peace, practicing at life, and creating space for what truly matters.   💬 Key Quotes “It’s easy for me to say yes to love—because I recognize it every time.” “I’m obedient to my peace.” “...

What does it mean to live without ego and lead with love? In this episode, Dawn sits down with Freddy Jackson , inspirational speaker and founder of the Love No Ego Foundation , to explore what it truly means to practice at life. From grounding in nature to creating the conditions for peace, Freddy shares how authenticity, curiosity, and courage shape his work mentoring youth and speaking across t...

Does your calendar spark joy? In this short, joy-filled clip, Jen Sacks , host of Small Things, Big Life , shares her take on Yes Days, saying no, and why her calendar glows bright yellow for workouts and joy. Dawn and Jen talk about parenting, boundaries, and the simple rituals that bring balance — like giving yourself permission to say yes to what matters most and no to what drains your energy....

When was the last time you really slowed down? In this conversation, Dawn sits down with Jen Sacks , host of Small Things, Big Life , to explore what it really means to pause, let go, and trust the messy middle. After nearly 20 years in the federal workforce, Jen is navigating a new season—learning how to rest without guilt, create new routines, and embrace the beauty of uncertainty. Together, the...

Feeling tired or stretched thin? This one’s your reminder to listen to your body and make room for the magic that comes when you rest. In this bonus clip, Your Dream Strategist Rashidat Odeyemi reminds us: “There's so many amazing things in this world to experience if we allow ourselves this space to do it.”The magic is in listening to your body, honoring what feels right, and letting go when it’s...

What if success wasn’t the goal—but joy was? In this uplifting episode, Your Dream Strategist Rashidat Odeyemi joins Dawn to explore what it means to create a soft life filled with alignment, curiosity, and celebration. Together they unpack burnout recovery, the myths of hustle culture, and how to rehydrate your “dreaming gland.” From roller coasters to rest, Rashidat reminds us that we can plan o...

How do you keep growing when life already feels full? In this bonus clip, Dawn and Jayden Aubryn explores what it means to stay curious, expressive, and grounded. From redefining continuing education to embracing creativity and self-reflection, this short conversation is full of reminders to celebrate progress—not perfection. Guest Info chaotichealing.org   tiseconsultingandtherapy.com @chaotic_he...

What if healing meant moving your body — joyfully, messily,and without judgment? In this episode, psychotherapist, personal trainer, and founder of Chaotic Healing , Jayden Aubryn joins Dawn to explore what it means to live intentionally, move intuitively, and reject all-or-nothing thinking. From their “Twerk for Trauma” course to their reflections on grief, celebration, and creative freedom, Jayd...

Want more energy? Start delegating! In this bonus clip from Work is Third , Danielle Roberts — the Anti-Career Coach — shares how outsourcing and delegation aren’t just for leaders, they’re for anyone who wants to protect their energy. From grocery delivery to hiring an assistant, Danielle and I talk about why letting go of certain tasks is a game-changer for boundaries, wellbeing, and joy. 💬Key...

Do you have the audacity to live life on your own terms? Danielle Roberts, known as the Anti-Career Coach, joins me for a raw and inspiring conversation about redefining our relationship to work, navigating grief, and choosing authenticity. Danielle shares her journey of becoming sober, the lessons she’s carried from losing her mom at a young age, and how those experiences shaped her philosophy on...

Do you have days where you just can't do it all? In this bonus clip, Cassandra Hill reminds us of the power of boundaries. Sometimes saying no is the most faithful yes you can give yourself. She shares how seasons of life impact our choices, the tension between good opportunities and divine purpose, and the importance of protecting your capacity. A reminder we all need: you can’t do it all — a...

What storms in life have shaped you? Master Life Coach, best-selling author, and speaker Cassandra Hill joins me to share her incredible journey of transformation. From corporate burnout and health challenges to building a life and career grounded in faith and resilience, Cassandra’s story is one of triumph through adversity. We talk about: ✨Planting seeds and trusting the process ✨How storms sh...

What small thing made YOU happy today? 🌸🌮 In this bonus clip, Dr. Brittany Peters shares her easy yes (showing up for community), her hard no (also showing up for community), and her daily practice of finding joy in small things — from tacos to BOGO flowers. She also reflects on the challenge of trusting intuition and taking action when you already know the answer.   Guest Info ·      Website: h...

Are you giving yourself the same energy you give to your job? In this heartfelt conversation, Dr. Brittany Peters, behavioral health expert, licensed clinician, and educator, brings wisdom, humor, and deep vulnerability to the Work is Third podcast. We explore the socialization of productivity culture, the survival strategies that many high-achieving women carry into adulthood, and the importance...

Would someone describe you as a fluff ball? In this bonus clip, Joshua Jackson answers four lighthearted but revealing questions: what’s easy to say yes to, what’s hard to say no to, what he does well when it comes to joy and rest, and where he still struggles. His answers? Hope, joy, celebrating everything, and recognizing his own softness. It’s a vulnerable and uplifting reminder that joy is wor...

Have you ever been fun-employed? Joshua Jackson joins Work is Third for a conversation about confidence, worthiness, and the messy beauty of becoming. From “fun-employment” and financial struggles to lessons from elders and mentors, Joshua shares how self-love, grief, and joy are intertwined. We dive into the concept of “distress recordings” from re-evaluation co-counseling, explore the liberation...

What can a pizza party teach us about joy, boundaries, andasking for help? In this bonus clip, Alicia Justice shares why it’s always yes (and almost never no ) for her niece and nephews—and how that shapes the way she thinks about joy, boundaries, and asking for help. 💬Quote of Note: “Girl, sit your behind down and ask for help.” Themes: Auntie joy and liberation Saying yes and no with intention...

What can feather boas, therapy, and TikTok teach us about joy, boundaries, and belonging? In this edition of Work is Third, Dr. Alicia Justice talks about what it means to force joy when life feels heavy, the liberating power of therapy, and how self-expression through color and fashion becomes an act of resistance and self-love. Alicia shares stories of her journey: claiming space as a first gene...

What’s easy to say yes to — and why is it so hard to say no? In this bonus clip from my conversation with Gnora Mahs ,I ask my four favorite questions about boundaries, joy, and self-care. Gnora shares her insights on joy, boundaries, and self-care. She discusses her philosophy of saying yes to experiences, the challenges of saying no, and how she navigates work-life balance. With a humorous take...

Joy doesn’t just come from self-care — it grows when we invest in our communities. In this episode of Work is Third , I sit down with my friend and community-builder Gnora Mahs to talk about the surprising ways joy and connection show up in our lives. Gnora shares how baking sourdough bread for neighbors, making friends at the dog park, and even emailing city council about crosswalks can spark com...

Boundaries are a skill, and Veatrice shows us how to practice them with kindness. In this bonus clip from my conversation with Veatrice Farrell, we talk about the art of saying no without losing your kindness or your joy. Veatrice shares why boundaries are a learned skill, how TV shows can reflect the America we want to live in, and why sometimes a simple “no” is the most loving thing you can say....