The DIVERG. Podcast

In this episode of the DIVERG. Podcast, we’re joined by Brian Middleton, BCBA and leader in values-driven behavior support. Brian walks us through his journey of integrating the ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy) framework into his practice, offering a powerful alternative to compliance-based behavior plans. Together, we explore how ACT shifts the conversation from “fixing behavior” to helpin...

In this episode of the DIVERG. Podcast, we’re joined by Brian Middleton, BCBA and leader in values-driven behavior support. Brian walks us through his journey of integrating the ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy) framework into his practice, offering a powerful alternative to compliance-based behavior plans. Together, we explore how ACT shifts the conversation from “fixing behavior” to helpin...

In this very special episode of The DIVERG. Podcast , we’re hosting our first-ever panel—and the topic is one close to our hearts: Neuroaffirming Parenting . Joining us today are three incredible parents and advocates who are leading voices in this space: Leila Toigo ( @SprinkledSpectrum ) – Mother to an autistic daughter and passionate advocate for centering autistic voices in how we approach par...

Dr. Karyn Harvey Ph. D. and Author of Positive Identity Development In this powerful episode of The DIVERG. Podcast , we sit down with Dr. Karyn Harvey—a renowned psychologist, author, and leading voice in trauma-informed care for individuals with intellectual and developmental disabilities. With over 35 years of clinical experience, Dr. Harvey has dedicated her career to shifting the way we think...

Sam Drezin, Founder & Executive Director of Changing Perspectives In this inspiring episode, we sit down with Sam Drazin, educator, speaker, and founder of Changing Perspectives —a nonprofit organization dedicated to fostering social-emotional learning (SEL) and promoting inclusive school communities. Sam shares his personal journey and the pivotal experiences that led him to create Changing P...

Join us for an engaging episode featuring Brian Middleton, the Bearded Behaviorist, as we delve into the heart of Radical Behaviorism and Radical Accountability. In this conversation, Brian unpacks the evolving landscape of ABA, explores pressing ethical challenges, and offers fresh perspectives on how the field can move forward with renewed accountability. Whether you’re a seasoned practitioner o...

Marge Blanc, M. A., CC C-SLP and Author of Natural Language Acquisition

Marge Blanc, M. A., CC C-SLP and Author of Natural Language Acquisition In this special Autism Acceptance Month episode, I’m honored to share a conversation with the incredible Marge Blanc , Speech-Language Pathologist and author of Natural Language Acquisition: On the Journey with Echolalia . Marge’s work has been transformational for my family, opening up a whole new understanding of how autisti...

Dr. Alicia A. Broderick, Professor of Education In this thought-provoking episode, I sit down with Dr. Alicia A. Broderick to unpack how branding, capitalism, and cultural narratives have shaped our modern understanding of autism. Dr. Broderick, a professor of education and a leading voice in critical disability studies, challenges us to reconsider how autism has been constructed in public discour...

with Corinne G. Catalano, PhD, IMH-E®, Montclair State University In this inspiring episode, Dr. Corrine Catalano joins us to talk about what truly makes early childhood education transformative: inclusion, intention, and a spark of curiosity. We explore how high-quality, inclusive preschool programs create long-term educational success for children with disabilities—when we meet kids where they a...

Director of PDA North America, to explore the growing movement to raise awareness and support for individuals with Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA) in North America. Diane, a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with over 40 years of experience, has dedicated her career to understanding neurodivergence, supporting families, and training professionals to better serve PDAers. We discuss the challenges...

Toni Tortora, O.T. and Clinical Director of The Rebecca School In this episode of DIVERG. , we take a deep dive into DIR/Floortime, a developmental, relationship-based approach that meets autistic children where they are and fosters meaningful growth through play, connection, and emotional engagement. Our guest, Toni Tortora, Occupational Therapist and Clinical Director at The Rebecca School, shar...

Brian Middleton, M.Ed., BCBA, LBA Join us for an engaging episode featuring Brian Middleton, the Bearded Behaviorist, as we delve into the heart of Radical Behaviorism and Radical Accountability. In this conversation, Brian unpacks the evolving landscape of ABA, explores pressing ethical challenges, and offers fresh perspectives on how the field can move forward with renewed accountability. Whethe...

In this enlightening episode of DIVERG. , we sit down with Dr. Jeffrey Guenzel, CEO of the International Council on Development and Learning, to explore the fundamental differences between behavioral and developmental approaches in supporting autistic individuals. Dr. Guenzel breaks down how these models shape the way we engage with neurodivergent children and why prioritizing connection over comp...

In this episode of DIVERG. , we sit down with Dr. James Coviello for a nuanced conversation about the benefits of inclusion and what it takes to do it well. Beyond checkboxes and buzzwords, we explore how true inclusion fosters innovation, belonging, and meaningful progress in education. Dr. Covvielo shares insights on breaking down systemic barriers, designing environments that support neurodiver...

In this episode of DIVERG. , we sit down with Mary O’Brien, an Autistic BCBA (Board Certified Behavior Analyst) and expert in Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA). Together, we explore what Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) can look like when it is reimagined through a neuroaffirming lens—one that prioritizes values-based practices and fosters true autonomy for autistic individuals. Mary shares her i...

In this episode, we sit down with Claudine Mossberg , founder of The Outdoor Play Connection , to explore how needs-based approaches can foster truly inclusive spaces for children of all abilities. Claudine shares her inspiring journey in creating environments where every child feels seen, supported, and empowered to thrive. Together, we discuss the importance of rethinking traditional play struct...

Episode 3: Strength in Connection: Mindfulness, Relationship and Strength Based Approaches to Autism Therapy with Dr. Deirdre Azzopardi, Founder, The Mindful School O.T.  

Dr. Deirdre Azzopardi, Founder, The Mindful School O.T.   In this episode of The DIVERG. Podcast , we explore the transformative power of connection in autism therapy. Join us as we dive into the importance of mindfulness, building strong relationships, and using strength-based approaches to support neurodivergent children. We take a closer look at DIR Floortime , a developmentally-based and...

In this inspiring episode, we sit down with Jacqui Byrne, Founder of FlexSchool, to explore the unique journey of raising twice-exceptional (2E) children. Jacqui shares her wealth of wisdom and insights on creating positive education models that celebrate individual strengths while providing the necessary support to overcome challenges. Together, we discuss the transformative power of tailored lea...

Episode 1: Searching for Safety, Redefining PDA Zach Morris M.Ed., Alive at LEARN

Zach Morris M.Ed., Alive at LEARN   In this episode of the DIVERG. Podcast , we sit down with Zach Morris, Zach Morris M.Ed. the founder of Alive at Learn and PDA expert. In this episode, we delve into the unique challenges and strengths of PDA, misconceptions around the profile, and practical strategies for creating neuroaffirming spaces. Whether you’re a parent, educator, or someone seeking...

Mary O’Brien, BCBA & Founder, Jersey Behavior. Be sure to subscribe. Episode drops January 31st. 

Claudine Mossberg, Founder, The Outdoor Play Connection. Be sure to subscribe. Episode drops January 21st. 

Dr. Deirdre Azzopardi, Pediatric Occupational Therapist & Founder of The Mindful School O.T. Be sure to subscribe. Episode drops January 17th.