Co-Creating the Third Attractor

In this conversation with Rob Hopkins, founder of the Transition movement, we explore what twenty years of community-led change can teach us about co-creating the Third Attractor. Rob shares how Transition began in the small town of Totnes and grew into an international movement of communities experimenting with local food, energy, housing, currencies and new ways of working together. At its heart...

In this conversation with Jennifer Garvey Berger, we explore what it takes to remain open, creative and capable of action in a world of increasing complexity. Jennifer explains how our nervous system tends to respond to uncertainty by contracting, simplifying and falling back on familiar patterns. Yet the challenges we face require almost the opposite: the capacity to hold complexity, settle our r...

In this conversation with Ken Wilber, we explore whether radical wholeness could provide the foundation for a Third Attractor. Ken argues that the fragmentation and polarization we see in the world can only be addressed through a genuinely integral approach that includes the many dimensions of human life and development. We speak about how Integral Theory can move from a framework into lived pract...

In this conversation with Jonas Søvik, we explore what happens when the rational drive to “do the most good” meets a more integral, relational and nondual understanding of change. Jonas brings his experience in Effective Altruism into dialogue with questions of inner development, community, agency and emergence. We speak about the many “islands of coherence” already experimenting with new ways of...

In this conversation with author and Accidental Gods host Manda Scott, we explore what it might actually take to create a future worth living in. Manda brings together shamanic practice, inner healing, regenerative thinking and the power of storytelling to ask how a genuinely different future could emerge. We speak about moving beyond the stories of scarcity, separation and powerlessness that shap...

In this conversation with philosopher Robert M. Ellis, we explore the Middle Way and its surprising overlap with the Third Attractor. Robert describes the Middle Way not as compromise or simply finding a position between two extremes, but as a practical way of avoiding absolutism, widening our perspective and remaining open to reframing our assumptions. We talk about judgment and optionality, the...

Discover the Third Attractor with Jenny Andersson and learn how we can align human activity with ecological boundaries. Jenny Andersson, founder of The Really Regenerative Centre, joins this conversation to discuss the practical shifts required for a sustainable future. We examine how shifting our focus toward regenerative leadership and bioregionalism allows communities to steward their own place...

What does it take to build a truly pro-social world? In this conversation, evolutionary biologist David Sloan Wilson brings Darwinian evolution into dialogue with the vision of the Third Attractor. We explore why cooperation is one of evolution’s greatest achievements, why good intentions alone are not enough, and how groups can create the conditions that allow people to work together for the comm...

What if consciousness is not produced by the universe, but is the ground from which the universe emerges? In this conversation, physicist and author James B. Glattfelder explores ideas from The Sapient Cosmos: the “will to complexity,” consciousness as fundamental, and evolution as a movement toward greater awareness. We talk about idealism, psychedelics and non-ordinary states, quantum physics, A...

How do we create a future that is neither collapse nor techno-utopia? In this rich and wide-ranging conversation, Daniela Bomatter speaks with Ivo Mensch about what it really means to co-create the Third Attractor. Rather than treating the Third Attractor as a fixed destination, Ivo sees it as a way of navigating: a living orientation that helps us respond wisely to each moment while remaining ope...

In this conversation, Daniela Bomatter speaks with Remzi Bajrami, founder of Creditism, about one of the most ambitious questions of our time: Can we redesign money to serve life instead of power? Remzi explains why he believes today’s financial system concentrates wealth, fuels inequality, and disconnects humanity from the commons. He introduces Creditism, a new economic model where money is crea...

What if the world’s biggest problems aren’t caused by bad leaders, but by a system that forces every nation to compete instead of cooperate? In this conversation, John Bunzl, founder of Simpol (Simultaneous Policy), joins Daniela Bomatter to explore why climate change, AI governance, economic inequality, and many other global crises remain unsolved despite decades of effort. Together they examine...

In this episode of Co-Creating the Third Attractor, Daniela Bomatter speaks with gerontologist and consciousness researcher Bettina Wichers about conscious aging, adult development, Integral Theory, transpersonal consciousness, and the role of elders in shaping the future of humanity. Together they explore how shadow work, trauma integration, the dissolution of the ego, and the emergence of transp...

This conversation moves through Jean Gebser's account of integral consciousness, the idea that we are not advancing toward a future so much as being worked on by a time that is already present and already shaping us. Jeremy calls this integral futuring: bringing an already unfolding future into conscious participation, rather than waiting for it to erupt as crisis. From there the discussion tu...

In this conversation, Daniela Bomatter speaks with Dave Snowden, creator of the Cynefin framework, about why the future cannot be designed from the top down. Instead of searching for grand solutions, Snowden argues that real transformation emerges from thousands of small, local experiments that reveal what is already possible. The discussion explores complexity science, distributed sense-making, c...

Jon Freeman describes a vision of individual freedom that does not collapse into chaos, because it lives inside a relationship with what he calls the information field. He defines coherence through the image of scattered light versus a laser: a state where inner sensing, not just thought or emotion, guides each choice. When asked whether that could shade into dogmatism, Jon draws on spiral dynamic...

In this wide-ranging conversation, Peter Merry explores what it means to navigate our time of profound transition through an integral, evolutionary lens. Together we examine why chaos is not simply breakdown, but the fertile space where the future begins to emerge. Rather than trying to predict or control what comes next, Peter invites us into the practice of "not knowing"—a deeper form...

What if the future of humanity begins in the way we educate our children? In this inspiring conversation, educator and visionary Madhan Mohan shares how Arunachala Village School in rural South India has spent more than two decades reimagining education from the ground up. Built on freedom, unconditional love, trust and responsibility, the school empowers children to think for themselves, care for...

Dennis Wittrock frames the third attractor through Daniel Schmachtenberger's landscape metaphor: a narrow ridge between collapse and authoritarian control. He argues that belief in a third path is itself a precondition for reaching it, since attitude and daily behavior compound over time. The conversation covers the multipolar trap as the generator function behind the metacrisis, and the limit...

In this conversation, painter and teacher Jordan Wolfson explores the essential role of art in co-creating the Third Attractor. Drawing on Iain McGilchrist’s work, he describes our current crises as expressions of an overly dominant left hemisphere, shaped by control, utility, abstraction and power. A more humane future would require the right hemisphere to lead again, reconnecting us with wholene...

What if the greatest crisis of our time is not climate change itself, but the way we value the world? In this conversation, filmmaker and ecological restoration pioneer John D. Liu invites us to rethink the very foundations of our civilization. Drawing on decades of documenting some of the world’s largest ecosystem restoration projects, including China’s remarkable transformation of the Loess Plat...

In this conversation, I speak with political scientist and integral thinker Elke Fein about what it would actually take to bring a new paradigm into politics. Rather than focusing on ideology, Elke explores how developmental psychology, Deep Democracy, shadow work, and genuine dialogue can help us create political cultures that are capable of holding complexity instead of collapsing into polarizat...

Amy Churchouse brings a refreshing blend of practical wisdom and deep curiosity to this conversation. Rather than searching for grand solutions, she invites us to slow down, observe, listen, and rediscover the simple human capacities that make genuine collaboration possible. Her "Pause, Observe, Feel, Listen" approach offers a grounded way of navigating complexity without becoming overwh...

In this conversation, Ross Hostetter brings a deeply contemplative and mystical perspective to the Third Attractor. Drawing on Christian mysticism, nondual spirituality, and decades of inner practice, he suggests that the Third Attractor is ultimately not an idea or a future system, but a living reality that we can embody. Together we explore the meaning of the famous words "I am the way,&quo...

Violeta Bulc spent years inside the machinery of governance, as Slovenia's EU Commissioner for transport and mobility, before turning to a sharper question: whether humanity can learn from the one system that has held balance over long stretches of time, which is nature itself. In this conversation she shares what the Eco-Civilization movement has learned across 52 countries and seven years of...