Spiral We Radio

In this heartfelt conversation on Spiral We Radio , Laura Schonberg shares her journey from alternative education to district leadership, exploring what it truly means for learners to feel safe enough to learn. She speaks with Dr. Karen Arnstein and Dr. Barry Gelston about dysregulation, trauma, and the invisible pressures shaping classrooms today. Together, they unpack the tension between data-dr...

In this episode of Spiral We Radio , Dr. Barry Gelston and Dr. Karen Arnstein talk with Bryan Mishler, licensed clinical social worker and doctoral candidate at Bridges Graduate School, about his transformative work at the Treffert Studio in Wisconsin. Bryan specializes in supporting autistic and twice-exceptional learners, helping them discover their strengths, build resilience, and create meanin...

In Episode 2 of Spiral We Radio , Dr. Barry Gelston and Dr. Karen Arnsteen dive deep into the Spiral Adaptive Lens, a way of viewing and relating to people that fosters adaptive, meaningful connections — especially for those who are neurodiverse. Building on their decades of experience as educators, researchers, and advocates, Barry and Karen share how curiosity, investigation, and improvisation f...

In the very first episode of Spiral We Radio , Dr. Barry Gelston and Dr. Karen Arnstein take listeners inside the origins of the Spiral Model — their shared framework for seeing and supporting neurodiverse people in ways that honor both strengths and needs. Drawing from over eight years of research and collaboration, Barry and Karen explain how the model grew from real-world experiences with learn...