Wrong Reasons with Liv and Grace

Seattle is in the middle of a heat wave and we are tired and sweaty!! But that didn’t stop us from watching this episode from the safety of a dark room with AC. Compared to last week, this episode felt like kind of slow going, especially with a group date that they completely copy/pasted from Tayshia’s season. However the rose ceremony was truly shocking and we finally got to see see the long awai...

Sorry this is a long one folks, we have a lot to say - mostly about the Bachelorette! This week was full of must-consume media with Rachel Lindsay's New York Magazine article and this episode. Rachel's article reminded us that we need to be conscious consumers of what storylines we are being fed by the Bachelor producers, and we are going to work on doing our best to provide wholistic recaps to tr...

This week we are obsessed with Justin, Andrew S., and in a shocking turn of events... Aaron? We have maintained our medium stance on Greg, and Cody and Karl give us the heebie jeebies. Honestly gotta give it up, this was a mostly fun episode to watch and many of the men made surprisingly reasonable decisions. Is this potentially the most watchable season of the Bachelorette since who even knows wh...

We were told that "Marty brings the party" but instead Marty just brought a bag of rocks.... Happy Bachelorette season premiere to all who celebrate! And to those who don't, thanks for tuning in anyways. We were pleasantly surprised for the most part about how well this episode went, and about how few of these men we genuinely hated. Maybe we're just turning into happier, more understanding people...

We know we've talked a lot about a person named Mason on past episodes, this is not that same Mason! (We talk about Liv's boyfriend Mason Carter pretty frequently, but this is Mason Lok, our friend from college™). Katie's reign as Bachelorette is about to begin and we'll be back to our regularly scheduled content, but we wanted to squeeze in one more off season episode before then. This week we ge...

For this episode we were delighted to welcome Jay and Jasmine (who host their own pod titled A Working Woman and Her Dumb Friend - check it out)! This poetic memoir from Chris Siegfriend (with a little help from Desiree Hartsock) would have been truly incredible satire, if it was in fact satire. Unfortunately the author seems to be taking himself incredibly seriously, meaning that instead of being...

Welcome to Bachelor Book Club, where we read almost exclusively terrible books by members of the bachelor franchise. This week we discussed possibly the only not terrible book in this genre, and that's only depending on how you look at it. I Didn't Come Here to Make Friends: Confessions of a Reality Show Villain by Courtney Robertson is a hilarious, shocking and wild read - and if you don't want t...

It's our freaking one year anniversary, can you believe that?? When we sat down with Max, a broken leg, and the start of a global pandemic last April we had no idea what we were doing or what to expect. Now we only kind of have an idea of what we're doing, but doing this podcast for the past year has been an absolute blast. We are so grateful to everyone and anyone who listens to the nonsense we'v...

Welcome to Bachelor Book Club, where we read almost exclusively terrible books by members of the bachelor franchise. To start us off we obviously had to go with A Perfect Letter by stupid Chris Harrison. Before you get any ideas, this episode is IN NO WAY an endorsement of this book or Chris Harrison. This was an awful book, please don't waste your time reading it. Really. Don't. That being said w...

Welcome to the off season, where we scramble to fill our time and the hole in our lives left by the absence of Bachelor Mondays. This week we welcomed Emma and Neco to go over the men who will be joining Katie's season of the Bachelorette. We cannot promise we stayed on topic all the time, or even most of the time, but we had a good time (and hopefully you will too!) Here is a link to the article...

Matt James deserved better than this finale. We have so enjoyed watching him this season and it made us very sad to see his journey come to a close like this. That being said Emmanuel Acho absolutely destroyed as host of After the Final Rose and we want him to come back every time! The bachelorette announcement was also very exciting and gave us a little flicker of hope, but there are still a mill...

Other than the problematic airing of a deeply personal conversation between Matt and his father this really felt like the most boring fantasy suites week in a while. And Rachel's episode long breakdown was not what we needed to make it more engaging. That is why we were so glad to welcome Anders back to the pod this week because he can make any subject entertaining!  Also we had many difficul...

Grace and Liv discuss Taylor Nolan's tweets, as well as the least dramatic Women Tell All in Bachelor history (that they somehow managed to make two hours long). Also yay Brittany! We mentioned in the episode that we would link some accounts of people who have been contributing to the discussion surrounding the current situation with Taylor Nolan. However most people who we saw who commented on th...

Big news loyal listeners - we are in love... with Michelle's parents! And also Michelle. And also Bri's mom. And also everyone's family except Rachel's. Whoops. Overall a stellar Hometowns episode, it wasn't able to rival Tayshia's but that's an unrealistic standard to hold any episode to. We'd say we're looking forward to recapping Fantasy Suites for you but unfortunately we have to suffer throug...

More happened on this episode than the entire rest of the season combined. If they think having two rose ceremonies is going to get them back into our good graces, they're gonna have to do a lot better than that! Also, in an embarrassing turn of events.... Heather... Finally, in very exciting news - we get to crown our sexy #5 of this season (the only position that matters) (we're not talking abou...

Fire Chris Harrison. We do recap this week's episode (sorry we're so late), but first we get into Chris Harrison's recent Extra interview with Rachel Lindsay about Rachael Kirkconnell and the discussions about race that it sparked in Bachelor Nation this week. Accountability is not the same thing as cancel culture.  Petition to remove Chris Harrison from the Bachelor Franchise: https://www.ch...

Liv, Grace, and special guest Anders tackle the epic highs and lows of high school volleyball (just kidding, but MJ was totally captain of the team). We bid a satisfying and joyful farewell to Anna and Victoria, and are bored out of our skulls by an episode primarily about Rachel and Kit. Maybe that's why we went on so many tangents. Join us as Liv goes on a journey of discovery - whether it's bcc...

Liv & Grace have a bad time with a bunch of dickheads on this episode. Update: we hate Anna and we don't know how we feel about basically anyone else except for Katie. This mob mentality shit has GOTTA GO!!! We don't happen to think that Brittany is an escort, but if she was it wouldn't matter. Sex work is real work. 

Grace & Liv go on 79 tangents but still somehow make it through the episode.  The main character of this episode was definitely the donkey we forgot to talk about. Also if anyone is interested in joining our Bachelor Book Club we're starting a reading list.

Grace & Liv complain about Victoria for a long time, just like everyone else in the episode. They are also pleasantly surprised by the number of seemingly chill and articulate participants who also happen to be incredibly hot. 

We're back bitches!!!! Did you miss us? You better have, it's been a whole week! Please join us as we experience Matt James' journey to find love with one of the 32 fucking women ABC cast this season. We like Anna and Bri and some other people and will be mourning the loss of Alicia until we inevitably see her in paradise (are you listening Mike Fleiss??). 

Well we made it folks. To the end of the season that first destroyed and then renewed our faith in the bachelor franchise. It also gave us one of our most favorite new bachelor couples to date (congrats Tayshia and Zac <3)!! We are joined yet again by best-friend-of-the-pod Anders to recap this final episode and briefly discuss our hopes for future seasons, as well as which actresses we frequen...

We are back on board the loving the bachelorette train!! This episode was totally predictable and we enjoyed every minute of it! Can't wait to see how the season wraps up!!! (well Liv already watched the finale and Grace accidentally saw spoilers but you get the point...)

Liv and Grace will continue to be sad for the rest of the season because we love literally every single person left and just want Tayshia to marry all of them and never send any of them home. But she has to do it. And we are SAD ABOUT IT. Also everyone has terrible opinions but us about Ben. 

First of all we love our final four guys!! Only good part of this episode!!! (Other than Riley and Jason at the Men Tell All - we love you bbs). Fun fact: the T in "MTA" actually stands for terrible - which is what this episode was.