Worse Than You with Mo Fry Pasic

Nic Scheppard and Jenson Titus are comedians, muralists, and creative collaborators. And if they look like a couple? Well, you're close: they're exes. For our season finale, Nic and Jenson join Mo to discuss the evolution of their partnership—from their company Very Gay Paint to their podcast Art To Me, what it's been like to chart their own paths in drag and clown, and why their relationship is a...

Back in April, Mo had the chance to sit down with W. Kamau Bell at SeriesFest in Colorado as part of a collaboration with the ACLU's podcast At Liberty. And today, you get to be in the audience! Listen in as Mo and Kamau discuss the differences between political and sociopolitical comedy, Kamau's evolving sense of humor, and what laughter has to do with our civil liberties. You can keep up with Ka...

Michael Cruz Kayne wrote a show about grief because it’s all he wanted to talk about. What resulted is the only project he’s ever made that matters to him: Sorry For Your Loss. He joins Mo this week to discuss feeling connected to his material, why he’s fought the instinct to be funny at the expense of being real, and how his work as a math tutor factored into the show. Michael is on Instagram @cr...

Akilah Hughes knows her audience. They’ve been by her side since the early days of YouTube, growing with her through career pivots, cross-country moves, and illness. And last year, she invited them to her hometown of Florence, Kentucky. Akilah joins Mo to discuss what it was like to return to her high school for the podcast ⁠Rebel Spirit; how nostalgia is part of her process; and the quality advic...

For Jess Perlman, facilitating conversations with the beyond is a form of spiritual charades. This week, she joins Mo to discuss what it’s like to practice as a full-time psychic medium, why she treats this work like any other artistry, and what we can all stand to learn by releasing ourselves from the world of form. Jess is on Instagram @jess_perlman. You can learn more about her work at tothehol...

Humor has been a lifeline for Christi Somers. And she wants everyone to have access to it. She joins Mo this week to discuss how she's overcome analysis paralysis, the importance of disarticulating love and laughter, and the bananas meeting that shifted her perspective on the entertainment industry. Christi's on Instagram @christisomers and at christisomerscomedy.com! Worse Than You with Mo Fry Pa...

When composer and musician Henry Koperski sits down at a piano, he's not looking to write the next great pop song. Instead, he's searching for a feeling. This week, he joins Mo to discuss how he's learning to take it slow with his art, what it's been like to embrace a solo career as Henki Skidu, and the comedy world reunion that could (maybe) never happen today. You can follow Henry on Instagram @...

Roz Hernandez should be more famous—and she's the first one to admit it. It's with this spirit that she approaches every project, from her 46-city stand-up tour this summer to her ghost hunting show to the podcasts that she hosts. She joins Mo this week to discuss making herself laugh, channeling her audience, and why the supernatural is just part of her story. Roz is on Instagram @rozhernandez, o...

Tim Murray is the only one who can perform his solo show. It is, after all, called Tim Murray is WITCHES! But if you’ve ever felt out of place, he’s got a seat for you in the audience. Tim joins Mo this week to discuss Disney divas, feeling dropped in, and the importance of finding your coven. Tim is on TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube @tmurray06. And he’s on tour with Tim Murray is WITCHES! RIGHT N...

Fin Argus takes small journals with her wherever she goes, for drawing or lyrics or stray creative thoughts. She also carries an archive of all the music she's ever written; and that, she has memorized. Soon, we'll get to carry some of those songs with us, in the form of her forthcoming album "Running With Scissors." Join Fin and Mo this week as they discuss Fin's diaristic and tender songs, and s...

The common denominator in Kimia Behpoornia's career is fun, and she's pursued it everywhere from her childhood math classes to some of TV's most beloved comedy series. This week, she joins Mo to reflect on her creative collaborations with her wife and her best friend, how she navigated being a queer kid—even before she had the language to express it, and why she'll never run for office. Follow Kim...

For filmmaker and choreographer Sarah Friedland, screenwriting is a movement notation practice—one where she foregrounds bodies and cameras rather than dialogue. This week, she joins Mo to discuss the fifteen-year journey to her critically acclaimed feature debut Familiar Touch, what it was like to craft a "coming of old age" film, and how she's learned to embrace the unknown. Follow Sarah on Inst...

For Rashawn Nadine Scott, an hour spent with second graders is as creatively fulfilling as an hour spent on stage. This week, she joins Mo to discuss her recent foray into the classroom, how she contends with artistic funks, and why she meets every opportunity—from one-night-only musicals to long-running D&D games—by asking: "Why not me?" Follow Rashawn on Instagram @rashawnscott, and on TikTok @r...

Growing up, E.R. Fightmaster had to build their identity from scratch. Now, they're giving a new generation of queer youth a foundation for seeing—and becoming—themselves. For our season premiere, E.R. joins Mo to discuss why they see joy as a subversive act; how they balance the systemic and the personal in their work; and the power of Russian literature, Sicilian epics, and big strong boys. Keep...

Hi, friends! We've excited to announce that we'll be BACK for an all-new season of Worse Than You starting Wednesday, September 3. Make sure you're subscribed so you don't miss a single episode, and tell a friend—seriously, this season's gonna party rock. Until soon! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We're off for the next few weeks, but you've got everything you need to keep your creative process going! Whether you're on the road, by a body of water, or camped out next to your apartment's A/C (which... check for black mold, please), our back catalogue is waiting for you. We'll be back with all-new episodes in September. We love you, you're perfect, and oh my god... you're so pretty. Worse Tha...

We’re celebrating this week as we welcome comedians Mano Agapion and Oscar Montoya to Good Get! The hosts of the internet’s ONLY drag race podcast join Mo to discuss their on-air rapport, the liberatory power of drag alter egos, and the importance of finding someone who shares your type of freak. Make sure you’re following Mano and Oscar over on the Drag Her! feed, and check out their new Patreon...

All it takes is one spark of inspiration to set a creative process in motion. And this week, to celebrate our one-year anniversary, a single question is all that we have to guide us. Listen in as Mo draws on techniques they find useful in their own creative process to answer it, including the spiritual practice of tarot. If you've enjoyed even one episode of Worse Than You this year, we want to he...

Murder mysteries. Card games. Late night comedies. This week, we're exploring Jo Firestone's creative playground! She joins Mo to discuss why she loves starting new projects just as much as finishing them, how she avoids getting bitter, and the ritual of watching Love Island. Her new novel Murder on Sex Island is out now! Make sure to pick up a copy, and if you've listened to the episode, you know...

Director Anu Valia has a knack for staying present, whether she's on set for a hit comedy series or in post-production on one of her films. This week, she joins Mo to discuss finding the feeling in every scene, trusting outside voices, and looking to other art forms for inspiration. Anu's on Instagram @anuvalia. Her feature film We Strangers is in theaters this August, and you can see her recent w...

What happens when your creative outlet becomes a career? It’s a question that comedian Devon Walker has navigated ever since being cast on SNL. He joins Mo this week to discuss his journey to 30 Rock, how he’s let go of audience expectations, and why he’d rather hear about your job than talk about his. Devon’s on Instagram @internetdevon. You can hear him every week on his podcast My Favorite Lyri...

Josh Sharp has just begun rehearsals for his Off-Broadway debut. It’s billed as a solo show, but technically, Josh has a scene partner: a 2,000-slide PowerPoint presentation. He joins Mo this week to discuss what it's been like to find synchronicity with a slideshow, how theater feels different from any film or TV set he’s worked on, and why he's reveling in duality. Josh is on Instagram @cluckclu...

Joel Kim Booster knows the power of pining: if there’s even a chance that a script he loves can be produced, he’ll work tirelessly on it. But you won't find him waiting around for a yes—for every project he has in development, he's already drafting another. This week, he joins Mo to discuss how he reverse-engineered self-confidence on stage, what it's been like to move his career goal posts, and t...

Vico Ortiz sees their career as a relationship. And they're putting in the work to keep it from becoming toxic. That means pursuing projects that feel aligned with their values, invite them to hone new skills, and fulfill their spirit—like their new solo show Rise of a King. This week, they join Mo to discuss their experience writing both English and Spanish versions of the show; what they've lear...

Sometimes the most meaningful art exists in the interstices, where a blank canvas becomes a space that's separate from work or family or the churn of everyday life. And this week, we're celebrating this type of art with a very special guest: Mo's sibling Anna Pasic. Listen in as Mo and Anna discuss removing urgency from their art, what mutual aid has to do with creativity, and why it's worth getti...