World of Wisdom
World of Wisdom
A curiosity driven podcast about wisdom, learning and the personal and systemic implications of the transition we are in. Hosted by Amit Paul and Nils von Heijne. For extended shownotes visit: https://worldofwisdom.substack.com/
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Episodes
273. Bruno Petrušić - Theology, economy and systems transformation 04.09.2025 1:10:18
Bruno Petrušić ( LinkedIn , X ) who is a theologian and part of the Economy of Francesco . We spoke about the big questions in life, theology's place in the societal transformation. Finding new ways. We spoke of what it's like to drive change within an institution like the catholic church. We addressed what the church also is and how it may help in finding new ways. We also spoke about dif...
Special episode - Waves Gathering: Another way? 28.08.2025 32:00
Sara Lindeman , Thomas Holm and Amit Paul speak about the upcoming Waves Gathering in Finland, focusing on creating a unique space for exploring new worldviews and approaches to change. The gathering is an invitation for navigating destabilization without despair, integrating various forms of knowledge, and fostering collaboration and emotional intelligence. This is an invitation for embodied epis...
272. Adriana Forte - The masculine and feminine dance, creation and what happens when we step back into rhythm 10.08.2025 1:22:48
This episode deep dives into the masculine and feminine, energetically, hormonally and culturally. Adriana Forte ( LinkedIn , C-lab Substack ) brings depth and philosophical rigour as well as the latin perspective to Amits Icelandic, masculine Nordic one. We speak of what a dance between the masculine and feminine may lead to, we speak of hormonal rhythms and torrents. We speak of just how much o...
271. Karl Sjöblom - Standardised innovation and business transformation 26.07.2025 1:02:28
Karl Sjöblom ( LinkedIn ) is an entrepreneur, an expert in the new ISO 56001/2 and founder of Eicorn . We spoke of innovation, business transformation. Key takeaways from the conversation was the 8 boxes we need to work with to reliably innovate: leadership, vision, inclusiveness, timeline, skills, resources, commitment and communication. If we strategically address these the likelihood of success...
270. Melanie Rieback - a journey of radical transformation 03.07.2025 1:49:32
Melanie Rieback ( LinkedIn ) founder of Radically Open Security and well known ambassador of steward ownership is a guest on this episode on the podcast. This is a different episode in kind. It is a story of transformation. We journey into a lifetime, touch on composting identities, it is a story of deep commitment to service, of courage, of listening and of following ones calling. The type of sto...
269. Adrian Wagner - Complexity, micro-empathic moments and the right level of granularity 22.06.2025 1:08:27
Adrian Wagner involved with both Complexity partners and the Pocket Project . We go deeply and concretely into the ins and outs of navigating complexity. We speak of the importance and power of micro-empathic moments. We also speak alot at the right level of granularity. How activism could be be reframed as finding a point where 'they' cannot hate 'us' anymore because we're inv...
268. Solo Episode - sensation not survival, a crisis of intimacy and submission 14.06.2025 52:57
This time Amit Paul speaks into some insights that he has found during spring. He speak of retiring survival in order to be able to fully live. Amit speaks of the sensous and that the posture of attuning to the moment is a more constructive attitude. One that sparks agency and action. He explore the crisis of meaning and propose that it’s a crisis of intimacy and Amit Paul explore the distinction...
267. Gustaf Tadaa - Everything is made up, semantics, AI and destructive compression algorithms 11.06.2025 1:18:19
Gustaf Tadaa is a thinker, speaker, artist and entrepreneur. His and his wife Malins last exhibition Andetag ( Instagram , website ) is exhibiting in Stockholm spring/summer 2025. This is a beautiful conversation around how everything is made up, the traps of language, why we should think about teaching kids semantics. We also talk about how trauma therapy is a creative activity not a discovery. H...
266. Erik Fernholm - Meta-crisis, IDGs, burning out to rekindle 29.05.2025 1:15:18
This is a beautiful conversation with Erik Fernholm ( linkedIn ) co-founder of 29k as well as the IDGs . We speak of emotions, happiness, what it takes to compost, why solutions cannot be perfect. We speak of listening and self-compassion. Why turning towards that which we reject can sometimes be the thing we need to do, even though it's hard. What it is and takes to start ones journey of work...
265. Sam Jockel - Reparenting, being with pain and how to get to warmth 11.05.2025 1:05:27
Sam Jockel ( LinkedIn ) came on the show. The founder of ParentTV and the producer of SEEN the film. Our conversation touched in on what parenting may be, both for yourself and for your kids. How does one become a parent? We speak of trauma as something that didn't happen rather than what happened and we speak of what it takes to recover warmth. How seeing your kids, being with them is what parent...
264. Neil Smyth - Stewardownership, problems (not organisations) at the center and collective action 05.05.2025 1:04:01
Neil Smyth ( LinkedIn ) founder of Alkemio and I spoke about collective action problems, agency and ownership. Neil is a veteran in the steward ownership space and is also active building the platform Alkemio towards collective action . We speak of the simple but profound transformations that hold the possibility to upend the world we live in. Neil speaks of the start up as a tool for effecting ch...
263. Adam Widawski - Technology, the state of civilisation and the silent war for our attention 27.04.2025 1:00:33
Adam Widawski ( LinkedIn ) is an educator and philosopher. Currently working for the think-tank Mindshield . We speak of the immense potential of our times. Why learning is an orientation to life that's served us well. We speak of technology and it's incredible pull as well as the importance of getting inspired by perspectives from the margins. We speak of the silent violence, the obfuscat...
262. Ola Jönsson - Identities, transformative investments and great decisions 14.04.2025 1:07:42
Ola Jönsson ( LinkedIn ) founder of Coest among other things came by the podcast. We spoke of profit and company growth as a part of but not the goal of companies. We spoke of identities and how they are important and how they interact. What it takes to start from scarcity - why are people that haven't prove extractive capacity as trustworthy in our society? What are Coests investment principl...
261. Michael Haupt - Collapse, systems change and 9 mental models for navigating our times 05.04.2025 1:08:53
Michael Haupt ( LinkedIn ) recovering corporate technician, regenerative practitioner and father and I had a wonderful conversation. We spoke about why systems change requires a fundamentally different approach than the one most of us currently take. We also touched on the framework he is developing of 9 mental models for navigating the times we are in. We also spoke of collapse and why our time...
260. WoW Roundtable (part 2): Evaluation, scaling and amplifying life force in regenerative gatherings 30.03.2025 53:49
Audrey Fillion ( EP224 ), Ria Baeck ( EP155 ), Adrian Wagner gathered for the second part of the first ever World of Wisdom roundtable. We spoke of evaluation, scaling, micro-moments of empathy and scaling. Beyond scaling up we also need to scale deep and wide. And how we can do that through technology. This deep conversation also touches upon the path dependency of our tools, what it tak...
259. WoW Roundtable: Gatherings. Measurement, doing and outcomes of regenerative gatherings (Pt 1) 23.03.2025 1:08:34
Audrey Fillion ( EP224 ), Ria Baeck ( EP155 ), Adrian Wagner gathered for the first ever World of Wisdom roundtable. This time we spoke about regenerative gatherings. This conversation is a rich and deep exploration with people that probably have a century of experience of gatherings between them. We speak of attention, action, what can be done and what is 'right action'. We speak of the s...
258. Ruben Daniels - sovereignty, interbeing and systems transformation 16.03.2025 1:04:26
Ruben Daniels (Founder of Allelo ) and I had a wonderful conversation about systems transformation, digital sovereignty and what it takes to begin living into a stable state of interbeing. Ruben is a successful IT entrepreneur that has since shifted his focus towards sovereignty- food, economic and digital. We speak especially about the economic and digital aspects of this sovereignty. Ruben is al...
257. Camara Cassin - Masterminding Eden an approach to connecting the silos 06.03.2025 1:05:11
Camara Cassin ( LinkedIn ) mother of 4, Environmental Science Technologist and transformation powerhouse as well as source and Founder of Masterminding Eden . We speak of the technologies that are already there, the seeds of what may come next. The importance of social as well as other technologies to break the silos. Why it's important to build a concrete pilot in a particular place and then...
256. Kasper Bjorkskov - shifting the building industry, transformation through action and biodiversity 25.02.2025 1:03:40
Kasper Bjorkskov ( LinkedIn ) activist, researcher, consultant, father, human has worked on shifting systems tangibly in Denmark. We speak of what it takes, how even activist tactics can create resilient change and why the edges are important in shifting the normal. We speak of architects and caring for the living, we speak of why biodiversity is a better single metric than carbon dioxide and why...
255. Turiya Hanover - finding out what is between you and love 18.02.2025 59:29
Turiya Hanover ( LinkedIn ) one of the founders of Path of Love. We speak of the transformation that is possible when we become honest with ourselves and its potential for the world we live in. What does it take to find out what's between yourself and love? What if your deepest pain explored will bring you to your deepest humbleness? What if this notion of equality is misconstrued - what if, i...
254. Hanna Moisander - the board as a bridge to owners and personal responsibility 10.02.2025 59:11
Hanna Moisander ( LinkedIn ), co-founder of Deb is on a mission to democratise boards and radically shift their demographic. As we move through some of the basics of board work there are some radical calls to action that emerge. The notion that the board is one of the few points in the corporate world where there is direct personal responsibility. Deb is pioneering the perspective that we ne...
253. Rory Tews - Macro shifts and micro transformations, agency and empowerment 20.01.2025 1:05:32
Rory Tews ( LinkedIn ) visited the podcast and we spoke of his work in societal transformation. Rory's been working in many domains of transformation and transition. From financial markets to building markets and institutions. This is a fundamental rethink and reframe of the challenges and shifts we stand before Rory is a first principle thinker that does not waver in the face of collapse. H...
252. Donnie Maclurcan - post-growth, post-capitalism economies and being a systems-feeler 08.01.2025 1:16:00
Donnie Maclurcan ( LinkedIn ) the Director of Strategy at the Post Growth Institute visited the podcast this week. We have an in-depth conversation about what the core of the matter with capitalism in. We speak bout money, post-growth economics, the needed shift towards circularity. Why he can definitively say that we already know after having run more than 10.000 experiments over the past decade...
251. Soloepisode - Integration, collapse, sense fullness, relationally and it's already happening 31.12.2024 49:20
In this episode Amit takes a moment to reflection what is happening. A short list of deep topics. He speaks of integration - being an integrated human being that through his or her complexity was born to live into this humanity. He speaks of the collapse, how it is already here but also that which is beyond. That is already here. There is an innovation and provocation to live sensful rather than m...
250. Navid Zargham - non-duality, stopping and checking, what it means to act beyond separation 22.12.2024 1:04:47
Navid Zargham of Simran Meditation ( instagram ) came on and we took on one of the most central topics of this shift we're in: separation. Navid is a practitioner and guide for people to find what is sometimes referred to as 'non-duality', or as he says himself "a way of looking behind the scenes, behind the culture and behind the programming" . This is a beautiful conversation, we touch on separa...
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