PJ Ellis and Andy Dawson

Wit + Grit

Education EN ↓ 42 episodes

We’re PJ Ellis and Andy Dawson - two dads, two mates, who’ve spent our lives working across business, law, education, charity, and media. Between us, we've made a lot of mistakes, asked a lot of questions, and raised kids who are about to walk into a world of work that’s nothing like the one we grew up in. That’s why we started Wit + Grit - a space for real, human conversations about what it takes to thrive in a world full of AI, constant pressure, and curated perfection. This podcast is about the skills you can’t Google. Things like confidence, resilience, emotional intelligence, how to fail...

Author

PJ Ellis and Andy Dawson

Category

Education

Podcast website

witandgrit.co.uk

Latest episode

Jul 7, 2026

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Episodes

Changing What This Name Represents. The Gabriel Imevbore Story 07.07.2026

Gabriel Imevbore joins us to share his journey from growing up in Erdington, Birmingham, experiencing family breakdown and homelessness at 19, to becoming the youngest trustee in YMCA Heart of England’s 180-year history. In this good-old-heart-to-heart conversation, Gabriel talks about ambition, faith, entrepreneurship, Birmingham, fatherhood, opportunity, social mobility and why your circumstance...

Abi Edmunds: Your Child Isn't Just Scrolling. 16.06.2026

As our government moves towards restricting social media access for young people, the debate has shifted from whether there is a problem to what we do about it. In this episode, we sit down with Abi Edmunds, founder of Social Media Resilience, to explore the realities of growing up online and the skills young people need to navigate an increasingly complex digital world. From social media bans and...

Reclaiming What It Means To Be Human with Workforce Futurist Stuart Evans 10.06.2026

In this episode, we sit down with workplace futurist Stuart Evans to explore AI, robotics, the future of work and what it all means for young people. From agentic AI and humanoid robots to university debt, entry-level jobs, adaptability and the future of human skills, this is a conversation about what happens when work changes faster than our old systems can keep up. Stuart challenges the idea tha...

The Work Experience Problem: The Future Needs a First Chance 02.06.2026

In this episode, PJ and Andy reflect on Jess Dunn’s week of work experience with Wit + Grit, what it revealed about young people, confidence, opportunity and the future of work. From students struggling to secure placements, to AI anxiety, skills shortages, third sector pressure and the need for businesses to “press go”, this is a conversation about moving beyond roundtables and into action. Let's...

Jessica Dunn: Give Young People a Chance 20.05.2026

At 17, Jessica Dunn was trying to find work experience in media, marketing, journalism and radio. After around 10 rejections, she was almost left spending the week in the school canteen. In this episode, Jess shares how young people are really feeling about work, careers, AI, grades, rejection and opportunity. It’s an honest conversation about confidence, the gap between generations, and why busin...

Ameesha Green: Everybody Should Name Their Teddies After Philosophers 11.05.2026

Ameesha Green is the founder of The Book Shelf, a book shepherd, philosophy thinker, mentor and proudly neurodivergent entrepreneur. In this episode, we explore ADHD, business, creativity, AI, education, philosophy, children’s futures, writing, and why one-size-fits-all thinking simply does not work. From naming her childhood teddies after philosophers to building a publishing business, Ameesha sh...

Hannah Bailey: The Cost of Always Saying “I’m Fine” 05.05.2026

Former police officer Hannah Bailey spent years working in high-pressure frontline roles, telling everyone she was fine while quietly carrying trauma, stress and undiagnosed PTSD. In this powerful episode, Hannah shares how a cancer diagnosis brought unexpected relief because it meant she no longer had to go back to work, why real resilience is not the same as silence, and how she rebuilt her life...

Potential and Power Skills with Kristie Brookes & Olivia Roden 28.04.2026

The graduate job market has never been more competitive, with up to 150 applicants per role, but that doesn’t mean opportunity has disappeared. In this episode, we sit down with Kristie Brookes and Liv Roden from Aston University to unpack what it’s really like to be a student right now, and what employers might be getting wrong. We explore the growing gap between education and employment, why “en...

Lewis Matthews: Happiness Is a Choice (Even in Atlantic Storms) 20.04.2026

Lewis Matthews has pushed himself to extremes - from international water polo to Ironmans, ultramarathons and rowing the Atlantic for 38 days. But this conversation isn’t just about endurance. It’s about what happens when life pushes back. Lewis opens up about losing his brother and his mom, how grief reshaped his perspective, and why success now looks very different. From “purposeful discomfort”...

Every Kid Is a Natural Red Teamer: Marcus Dimbleby on Critical Thinking and Leadership 13.04.2026

In Episode 32 of Wit + Grit, we are joined by Marcus Dimbleby - former Royal Air Force aerospace battle manager turned leadership and critical thinking specialist. From the military to major corporate transformation, Marcus shares what he’s learned about leadership, human behaviour and why so many organisations are still getting it wrong. This is a wide-ranging conversation covering disengaged wor...

James Cary Says: Pitch It Like You’ve Already Seen It 30.03.2026

In Episode 31 of Wit + Grit, we are joined by BBC comedy writer James Cary - the man behind episodes of Miranda, Citizen Khan, My Family and Bluestone 42 . But this conversation goes well beyond sitcoms. James opens up about the constant rejection that comes with writing, even when you’re “successful”, what working in comedy has taught him about teams, why authenticity matters more than trying to...

Children need Adults to be their Substitute Prefrontal Cortex, says Natalie Costa. 23.03.2026

What happens when you’re trying to perform at work while also being a present, patient and emotionally available parent at home? In Episode 30, we sit down with Natalie Costa to explore emotional fitness in families, schools and workplaces. Natalie shares her mission to help raise a generation of connected humans by supporting the adults around them - parents, teachers and leaders alike. From chil...

From Live Testing to the Real Thing 09.03.2026

After 28 episodes, a live event, and a growing Wit + Grit community, we sit down for a proper catch-up. This one is honest, reflective and full of the stuff that sits behind the scenes - what we’ve learned, what’s surprised us, what we’re building, and why Wit + Grit is starting to feel like something much bigger than a podcast. We talk about opportunity, identity, grief, ambition, structure, star...

How and Why Hannah Tyers Built the Platform She Needed 02.03.2026

Hannah Tyers is one of the world’s youngest female chartered surveyors - but her real story sits under the surface. At 21 years of age, Hannah lost her mum to alcoholism. Her journey has forced Hannah to grow up fast, build resilience early, and learn emotional skills most of us were never taught. In this episode, Hannah shares what grief taught her about life moving on, why “success” can feel com...

Daniel Wilsher's iOS Update: Shedding Identity + Rebuilding from Within 16.02.2026

In this powerful and deeply honest conversation, Daniel Wilsher shares what he calls his “iOS update” - a shedding of identity. After years of building his public platform around the suicide of his father and his own mental health journey, Daniel realised something profound: The story that built him, no longer fits him. From losing his dad at 9, battling addiction, therapy, public speaking, Channe...

Joel Blake: It’s Not Who You Know - It’s Who Knows You 09.02.2026

Joel Blake is a private client solicitor at Wilkes, a Future Faces ambassador, and a Greater Birmingham Young Professional of the Year winner - but his story starts in Dudley, navigating limited role models and plenty of “you’ll never make it” moments. In this episode, Joel shares how rejection shaped his resilience, why confidence is built over time, and the mantra that changed everything: it’s n...

Everybody Needs a Gandalf Stick: Courage and Leadership with Lisa Butler 03.02.2026

In this conversation, Lisa Butler shares her inspiring journey from an 18-year military career to becoming a coach and advocate for courage and leadership. She discusses overcoming early challenges, the importance of resilience, and how her military experience shaped her understanding of courage. Lisa emphasises the need for individuals to be brave in their personal and professional lives, the sig...

Chris Meah Asks: Will AI Kill Us All? 21.01.2026

Summary: In this episode Chris Meah, an AI expert and founder of Meah Labs and the School of Code, discusses the transformative power of AI, the importance of lifelong learning, and the future of education and work. He shares insights on how AI is reshaping industries and the skills needed to thrive in a tech-driven world. The question is, will AI be the end of us all? ----- Takeaways: AI is resha...

Luther Burrell: The Power of Honesty, Resilience, and Creating Positive Change 12.01.2026

Summary In this episode, former England international rugby player Luther Burrell shares his journey from professional sports to philanthropy, discussing identity, race, and mental wellbeing. He reflects on his transition from elite sports, the challenges of finding purpose post-retirement, and the importance of networking and community impact. Luther emphasises the power of honesty, resilience, a...

Press Go - Why Momentum Beats Perfection 22.12.2025

In this reflective episode, PJ and Andy pause to mark a milestone: 21 episodes down. What started in June 2025 with a simple decision - “let’s just press go” - has become a powerful lesson in momentum, confidence, and learning through action. They explore why perfection is often the enemy of progress, how confidence is built through doing (not thinking), and why most people underestimate the value...

Siblings in Sync. Peg and Will: Poker and Mindfulness 15.12.2025

Summary In this episode, siblings Peggy and Will Crawford discuss their unique career paths and shared experiences. Peggy, a data analyst and semi-pro poker player, shares insights into the poker world and her journey in content creation. Will, founder of Quiet Note, talks about integrating mindfulness and music to improve mental wellbeing. They explore the challenges and rewards of their respecti...

From 93p an Hour to 26 McDonald’s and a UK-First Kids Village - Doug Wright MBE DL 08.12.2025

In this episode of Wit + Grit, we are joined by Doug Wright MBE DL - a man whose life reads like a masterclass in resilience and service. Doug shares how he went from failing his exams and disappointing his parents to finding purpose on 93p an hour at McDonald’s, becoming the youngest restaurant manager, and then having his world turned upside down after a devastating car accident that left him te...

Small Habits, Big Confidence: Becca Horley on Becoming the Person You Want to Be 01.12.2025

Summary In this uplifting and deeply honest conversation, Becca Horley shares the journey behind her award-winning legal career and the personal transformation that shaped it. From feeling “stuck” and disconnected to redefining her identity through fitness, fashion, boundaries and self-respect, Becca opens up about what it really takes to build a happier, more confident life. She talks vision boar...

Pursuing Passions and Fresh Perspectives from Young Entrepreneurs: Abbi Evans & Rhiannon Fry 24.11.2025

In this episode, two young entrepreneurs, Rhiannon Fry and Abbi Evans, share their journeys of building businesses in their teens. They discuss the challenges and triumphs of entrepreneurship, the importance of resilience, and the role of education in preparing for real-world experiences. The conversation also touches on the influence of family and mentors, the significance of social media in mode...

Dig One Hole, Dig It Deep: The Man Commercial Protection Story 17.11.2025

Summary In this episode, Iain McCallister, CEO of Man Commercial Protection, shares his journey of building a successful security business. He emphasises the importance of focusing on one thing and doing it well, as encapsulated in his mantra, 'Dig one hole, dig it deep.' Iain discusses the challenges and triumphs of leading a company through acquisitions, maintaining a strong company culture, and...

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