Where Do We Go From Here?

Host : EDJ Guest : Rev. Brandan Robertson – author of Queer and Christian , TikTok pastor, theologian, and public speaker. In this heartfelt and deeply thoughtful conversation, EDJ speaks with Rev. Brandan Robertson about growing up evangelical, discovering his queerness, and finding a theology that held both faith and identity. Together, they unpack: Brandan's journey from Moody Bible Institute t...

In this Thoughts and Prayers episode, Jessica and EDJ wade into the murky waters of what it means to engage with faith, critique evangelicalism, and still remain spiritually alive. It's part deconstruction, part spiritual therapy — with a side of sass. They ask: Can you love Jesus but be done with church? What happens when purity culture gives way to embodied faith? And how do you hold grief and h...

Is Christianity still good news for women? It's a big question — and in this episode, Jessica is joined by Emily and Kristen for a thoughtful, vulnerable conversation that doesn't shy away from the tension. Together, they explore: 🧠 How growing up in the church shaped their views on womanhood, sex, and submission ✝️ The parts of Christianity they've kept — and what they've had to leave behind 💔...

What happens when saying yes to God means leaving behind everything you built — and trusting Him in the silence? In this deeply moving episode, Jessica talks with evangelist, author, and podcast host Brenda Palmer about her upcoming book The Journey of Yes. But this conversation goes far beyond the book. Brenda opens up about growing up in purity culture, losing her church community after choosing...

This episode of No Hard Feelings is one for the books: we're tackling two wildly different but surprisingly rich topics — emotional cheating in the age of smartphones, and the global significance of the first American pope, Leo XIV. First, Jessica, Kristen, and Emily unpack what emotional cheating actually is ( spoiler: it's not as cut and dry as you think). From secret texts and blurred lines to...

What if your pain isn't just something you have to live with? In this episode, Jessica talks with osteopath Rebecca Lovett about pelvic floors, vaginismus, body shame, and the impact of purity culture on women's health. They explore how trauma can live in the body, why many women suffer in silence, and what it means to reconnect with your body — not just spiritually, but physically. This conversat...

In this episode of 'Where Do We Go From Here?', host Jessica van der wyngaard introduces her new co-host EDJ, who shares her journey from Australia to America and her experiences with deconstruction in faith. The conversation explores the themes of grace, purity culture, and the importance of open discussions about faith and relationships. EDJ discusses her background in Bible college and how it s...

Welcome to Where Do We Go From Here 's new monthly episode series: No Hard Feelings - where we take on the questions that don't have easy answers. But the answers don't need to be hard and fast. Here we'll explore different perspectives, share our own thoughts and invite you to form your own - because here, there's no hard feelings.  Host: Jessica  Co-hosts: Emily & Kristen  In the inaugeral episo...

After nearly five years of co-creating Where Do We Go From Here? , Devi Abraham is stepping away from the podcast and Patreon community — and today, Jess sits down with her for one final conversation. In this emotional and reflective episode, Devi shares what led to her decision, how her life has shifted since 2019, and what she's dreaming about in this next chapter. From parenting and mental heal...

Where Do We Go From Here is a podcast hosted, edited and produced by Jessica Vanderwyngaard and Devi Abraham.  Sign up for a 2-month long book club discussing Sarah C. Williams new book: " When Courage Calls: Josephine Butler and the Radical Pursuit of Justice for Women. " Sign up at patreon.com/wheredowegopod for $10 a month, or as a $7 upgrade from our $3 membership level. (Prices in USD.) Book...

In the 19th century, Josephine Butler defied every expectation of what a woman should be. A privileged, refined Victorian lady, she became a fearless advocate for women on the margins—challenging sexual double standards, fighting the legal system that punished women while protecting men, and leading a movement that changed British law and history.   Today, historian Sarah C. Williams, author of Wh...

  For anyone who thought kissing someone you didn't marry would ruin your life and wreck your faith,  Dr. Camden Morgante is here to help.  Show Notes: Partner with us to hear more about how to develop your sexual values Recovering from Purity Culture by Dr. Camden Morgante Instagram (talk to us!) Twitter Dr. Camden Morgante is a licensed psychologist with nearly 15 years of experience as a therap...

Jess and Devi are back with a lot of thoughts about why Gen Z men are now more religious than Gen Z women. The episode also features the thoughts of our fabulous partners.  Like this style of episode? Join us in Patreon for a unique News & Views episode every single month.  Show Notes In a First Among Christians, Young Men Are More Religious Than Women (NY Times)

In this episode Devi shares what's next for the show.  Sign up as a partner to hear weekly episodes of The Jess & Devi Show  Stay connected on Instagram and Twitter  Beth Hope's portfolio

Trigger warning: This episode contains stories of racial violence and sexualized racial violence.  In this episode we deep dive Purity Culture's origin story, and its connection with America's racial history.  Full show notes here . Talk to us on  Instagram and Twitter Want to talk about this episode? Join our partners in The Big Debrief on Tuesday March 26 at 9pm EST and Wednesday March 27 at noo...

In this episode we talk about love after divorce as Haverlee shares her story of a marriage breakdown, living alone, dating, and finding new love. It's part of our three part series. You can find the first two episodes here: 142: What If Marriage Doesn't Make You Happy Or Holy? 143: 7 Signs That Your Marriage Can be Saved Partner with us for $3/month to hear an uncut conversation before anyone els...

There are characteristics and qualities of relationships that lead to better outcomes, and Dr. Camden Morgante joins us to talk about seven of them. If you're concerned about your marriage or have qestions about the person you're dating or engaged to, this episode is for you.  Listen to our previous episode to hear more about divorce in the United States. Full show notes here (including a full tra...

In this episode we deep dive divorce with journalist Lyz Lenz. We talk about: why it's so hard to tell the truth about difficult marriages how the labor of women sustains western marriage political decisions that could make marriage easier for everyone Follow us on Instagram and Twitter to keep talking. Full show notes  here Partner with us for $3/month (USD) to hear Jess & Devi talk about recent...

In this episode, Hillary McBride guides us toward how to see our body as a resource, and she gives us practical, free tools to help us reconnect with our bodies. Full show notes here Partner with us for $3/month to hear the full, uncut version of this converation and get episodes of The Jess and Devi Show Hillary L. McBride  (PhD, University of British Columbia) is a registered psychologist, an aw...

Are you a subscriber ? Have your say about this show in our listener survey ! In this episode we dig into the pain points of being unpartnered when everything is getting more expensive. What's the mental load that unpartnered women carry about housing and job security? And what can people do that helps?  Connect with us on Instagram and Twitter Partner with us to hear our recap of the Christmas mo...

In this episode our co-founder Jessica Van Der Wyngaard tells us the bittersweet news that she's stepping down as co-host of the show and why it's the right time to go.  Partner with us to hear Purity Culture News & Views next week, plus a fun Christmas rom com recap later in December .  Are you in Melbourne? Join Sheila Gregoire and Devi at St. Silas' Anglican Church on Wednesday, December 6 from...

In this episode we explore what it means to lose our faith and community because our beliefs, or sometimes our very selves, put us at odds with the expectations of others. Can there still be a spiritual home on the other side?  Plus there's a special announcement about a new book club featuring Holy Runaways. DM @wheredowegopod to get Keara's email address if you want to join . Partner with us for...

Andy Stanley's megachurch, North Point, held a conference to equip parents of LGBTQ+ youth and young adults to love and accept their kids, and soon after conservative gatekeepers accused Stanley of abandoning historic Christian doctrine. This episode discusses North Point's method and asks the question: Is it a blueprint for churches to follow? We consider: North Point's engagement with the LGBTQ+...

Annie Parsons is having a baby, and she's an unpartnered, 41-year-old woman in middle America who grew up in Purity Culture. Yes, we have questions. Her answers tell a complex, beautiful story about what it's like to gain agency, build community, and the dare to hope for a miracle. We talk about: ditching dating and pursuing motherhood "insurance against regret" gaining financial stability as a si...

Anna McGahan is an Australian actress and storyteller who found God in the most radical of ways. Baptised into the Pentecostal tradition, she gave up everything to follow Jesus only to find that life in the church wasn't quite what it seemed.  In this episode we discuss: meeting God and meeting the church, it's not the same finding agency in celibacy losing queerness to find God recovering a sense...