EDJ & Jessica Van Der Wyngaard

Where Do We Go From Here?

Religion EN ↓ 224 episodes

A weekly podcast deconstructing purity culture, sex and other real life stuff for thoughtful Christians and exvangelicals alike.

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EDJ & Jessica Van Der Wyngaard

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Religion

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Latest episode

Jul 6, 2026

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Episodes

On Premarital Sex Part 4: Sin or Not a Sin? 26.11.2025

In Part 4 of our On Premarital Sex series, Jess and Devi wrap up the conversations that have taken over your DMs and headphones all month long. After exploring progressive sexual ethics with Mathias Roberts, vocational celibacy with Peter Valk and Dr. Dani Treweek, and abstinence as a chosen path, this final episode brings everything together. This is the debrief: ✨ What the history of contracept...

On Premarital Sex Part 3: Making Sexual Decisions with Wisdom — Not Fear 25.11.2025

In Part 3 of our most-downloaded series On Premarital Sex , Jess and Debbie return to the conversation that shaped so much of this podcast's early years: How do you make sexual decisions when you've left purity culture behind? This episode features psychotherapist and author Mathias Roberts (Beyond Shame), who helps us unpack: ✨ Why "premeditation" isn't sinful — and why preparing (with protectio...

On Premarital Sex Part 2: Reimagining Celibacy 25.11.2025

In Part 2 of our most-downloaded series On Premarital Sex , Jess and Debbie turn the conversation toward the other side of the sexual ethics spectrum: celibacy. After exploring progressive sexual ethics with Mathias Roberts in Part 1, this episode asks a different set of questions: What does celibacy really mean? How is celibacy different from abstinence? Can celibacy be a dignified, intentional C...

On Premarital Sex Part 1: What are the rules when there are no rules? 24.11.2025

In this re-release of one of our most downloaded series, Jess and Debbie revisit a conversation listeners return to again and again: What does a Christian sexual ethic look like after purity culture—especially when it comes to premarital sex? Joined by psychotherapist and author Mathias Roberts (Beyond Shame), Jess explores the shift many Christians face when leaving the purity culture framework b...

What We Can Learn from a Somatic Sexologist 19.11.2025

In this episode of Where Do We Go From Here? , Jessica sits down with somatic sexologist Lydia Adéla to explore how embodiment, safety, and self-awareness can transform our experience of sexuality. Lydia shares her journey from believing she was "broken" and unable to feel pleasure, to becoming a practitioner who helps others reconnect to their bodies and experience intimacy without shame. Togethe...

Faith, Feminism & Pleasure: Rethinking the Christian Story of Sex 12.11.2025

In this month's Thoughts & Prayers , Jess and EDJ dive into what's been stirring in our community conversations — from purity-culture myths about "saving sex for marriage" to what it means to reclaim feminine wisdom in a patriarchal church. The hosts reflect on the latest No Hard Feelings discussion about abstinence and sexual compatibility, explore how our theology has shaped women's bodies and p...

Deconstructing Christian Patriarchy and Reclaiming Feminine Energy 05.11.2025

In this episode, EDJ talks with Angela Herrington , author of Embracing the Old Witch in the Woods: Decolonizing the Sacred Feminine and Reclaiming Your Power. Together, they explore what it means to reconnect with feminine wisdom in a world shaped by patriarchy and Christian purity culture. Angela unpacks: The witch as a metaphor for women's ancestral wisdom and strength How patriarchy and coloni...

Does Saving Sex for Marriage Set People Up for Better or Worse Sex? - A No Hard Feelings Chat 29.10.2025

In this month's No Hard Feelings , Jessica, Emily, and Kristen take a deep dive into one of purity culture's biggest promises — that saving sex for marriage leads to better, holier, and more satisfying sex. Spoiler: the data (and lived experience) tell a different story. They explore: The "sexual prosperity gospel" and why it set so many up for shame and disappointment Sheila Wray Gregoire's landm...

Nobody Wants This Season 1 Recap 23.10.2025

In this fun and thoughtful Where Do We Go From Here? conversation, Jessica and Devi revisit one of their favourite RomCom Recap episodes from Patreon — a deep dive into the Netflix hit Nobody Wants This , starring Kristen Bell and Adam Brody. They explore why this show hit such a cultural nerve, how it portrays the complexity of love between two people from different faiths, and what it teaches us...

Why 'Waiting on God's Timing' Keeps Women Stuck and other thoughts 15.10.2025

In this reflective and wide-ranging Thoughts & Prayers episode, Jessica and EDJ explore the intersection of politics, faith, and deconstruction — from the rise of Christian nationalism in the U.S. to the way purity culture still shapes dating and marriage expectations today. Together, they talk about: How Christian nationalism differs between Australia and the U.S. What the Charlie Kirk controvers...

Grace for Parents, Healing for Kids - Chatting to the authors of The Myth of Good Christian Parenting 10.10.2025

Guests: Marissa Franks-Burt – Instagram | Substack Kelsey Kramer McGinnis – Instagram | Substack | Writer at Christianity Today About the Episode: In this episode, EDJ sits down with Marissa Franks-Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis, authors of The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families. Together they trace how James Dobson's Dare to Discipl...

April Ajoy on Christian Nationalism and Star-Spangled Jesus 24.09.2025

This week on Where Do We Go From Here? EDJ sits down with content creator, podcaster, and author April Ajoy to talk about her new book Star-Spangled Jesus: Christian Nationalism in America . April grew up in purity culture as a pastor's kid, surrounded by the metaphors we all know too well—chewed-up gum, licked cupcakes, torn roses. But as her journey unfolded, she began creating satire on TikTok,...

No Hard Feelings about Charlie Kirk 16.09.2025

Responding to the Assassination of Charlie Kirk The assassination of Charlie Kirk has shaken Christian communities across the U.S. and beyond. In this episode of No Hard Feelings , Jess (Melbourne), Emily (Texas), and Kristen (Tennessee) sit with the grief, confusion, and deep polarization surrounding Kirk's death. Together, we ask: how do we resist letting tragedy harden us into tribalism? How do...

Devi's Back for the Dr James Dobson Autopsy 09.09.2025

In this special one-off reunion episode, Jessica is joined by former co-host Devi Abraham to do a kind of "Dobson autopsy." When Dr. James Dobson , founder of Focus on the Family , passed away last month, his legacy sparked heated debate. Was he the warm fatherly voice who helped parents raise families—or the architect of purity culture and harmful teachings? 📻 Dobson's global reach — Focus on th...

Kristin Kobes Du Mez on Purity Culture, Patriarchy & Power 02.09.2025

We're bringing back one of our most downloaded episodes of the last 5 years — and for good reason. This riveting conversation with Dr. Kristin Kobes Du Mez, author of Jesus and John Wayne , explores how white American evangelicals came to embrace a model of masculinity rooted not in Jesus, but in militarism, patriarchy, and cultural conservatism. Jess and Devi unpack how purity culture intersects...

Submission, Agency, and Shiny Happy People S2: Where Do We Go From Here? 26.08.2025

In this month's Thoughts and Prayers episode of Where Do We Go From Here? , Jessica and EDJ reflect on some of the biggest conversations we've had together: 🎬 Shiny Happy People: Season 2 — what it reveals about evangelicalism, Christian nationalism, and the power of survivors speaking out. 📖 Danielle Taminio Henson on Speaking of Rape — redefining rape, broadening the conversation around consen...

Submission: The Church Rule We Subconsciously Deconstructed? 19.08.2025

In this episode of No Hard Feelings, Jessica, Emily, and Kristen tackle the loaded word submission in Christian culture. What did Paul really mean in Ephesians 5? How has the concept been shaped by history, purity culture, and translation choices? And is submission a word worth redeeming—or should we let it go? We explore: The Greek word kephalē (head, source, origin) and how translation choices i...

Consent as a Holy Starting Point: Rethinking Christian Sexual Ethics 12.08.2025

After years of believing that premarital sex was a sin without exception, Jessica invites us into a vulnerable, thought-provoking solo episode to explore a different kind of Christian sexual ethic — one rooted not in rules, but in love, consent, agency, and mutual care. She reflects on her own journey out of purity culture, dives into the historical and biblical context of sexual norms, and challe...

Beyond Consent: Rethinking Sex, Power, and Justice - a conversation with Danielle Tumminio Hansen 06.08.2025

Content Warnings : This episode discusses rape, sexual assault, purity culture, childhood sexual harm, and childbirth trauma. Listener discretion is advised. In this deeply moving and thought-provoking conversation, EDJ is joined by theologian and author Danielle Tumminio Hansen to explore how our language, theology, and justice systems often fail survivors of sexual harm. Drawing from her groundb...

Parenting and Re-Parenting Without Sexual Shame with Dr. Tina Schermer Sellers 31.07.2025

Originally released as episode 52. This episode is part therapy, part masterclass. Dr. Tina Shermer Sellers joins us to talk about parenting and re-parenting in a world where many of us never got real sex education. If you're a parent wondering how to raise kids free of shame—or an adult figuring out how to parent your younger self—this episode is a warm hug and a roadmap.

Shiny Happy People Season 2: Teen Mania, Radicalisation & the Teenage Holy War 28.07.2025

A raw and cathartic conversation about Shiny Happy People Season 2, Teen Mania, the Honor Academy, and the teenage evangelical pipeline. Episode Summary: Season 2 of Shiny Happy People shifts the spotlight from the Duggar family to Teen Mania Ministries and its high-control youth movement. In this debrief, host Jessica is joined by Kristen (an Acquire the Fire attendee) and Emily (a former Honor A...

Sex, Consent and the Theology of Harm: What if sin is about harm, not rules? We rethink ethics, bodies, and sacred sexuality 22.07.2025

In this episode of Thoughts and Prayers , Jessica and EDJ reflect on three key conversations from the past month — with queer theologian Brandon Robertson and Catholic academic Donna Freitas — while taking a deep dive into the question: Is it time to reimagine Christian sexual ethics? Join them for a vulnerable, theologically rich, and sometimes hilarious discussion on queerness, purity culture, h...

"Talking About Sex in Church Broke Us" — Donna Freitas on Healing What Religion Couldn't 15.07.2025

Author, scholar, and survivor Donna Freitas joins us for a raw and deeply thoughtful conversation on the ways purity culture, religious silence, and institutional failures around sexuality have left lasting wounds — and where healing might actually begin. In this episode, we talk about: 📚 Donna's personal story of church trauma and spiritual silence ✝️ The impact of purity culture on desire, cons...

Is It Time for a New Christian Sexual Ethic? 08.07.2025

Is it time to reimagine a Christian sexual ethic? That's the big question Jessica, Kristen, and Emily take on in this bold, honest, and expansive No Hard Feelings conversation. Together, we dive deep into the history of Christian sexual ethics—from the Garden of Eden and ancient Israelite practices to purity culture and the modern church. This isn't just a theology class. We're asking: What was th...

Most Downloaded: Sex and Agency 03.07.2025

Originally released as Episode 49.  This episode is all about one word: agency. Jessica and Devi revisit their conversation with Sheila Gregoire about what it really means for women to experience pleasure, make choices, and have autonomy in their sexual relationships. From obligation sex to pleasure gaps in marriage, we dissect the ways purity culture erased agency—and what reclaiming it can look...

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