Hannah Anderson and Nick Carroll

We Shouldn't Be Friends

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Tales from a world where everyone surfs. Nick’s a bald headed Boomer in recovery from surf rage. Hannah’s a blonde Millennial with a surfboard addiction. It’s like we’re from different planets! We really should not be friends. But this is 2026, and anything is possible, in and out of the surf. Here’s our playful, quizzical and highly informed look at modern surf culture in all its watery magnificence, and how it reflects all the social change we see in the world today. Oh, and watch out for epic guests.

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Hannah Anderson and Nick Carroll

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Jun 25, 2026

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Episodes

CHASED OUT OF THE WATER: OUR EVOLVING SHARK COUNTRY 25.06.2026

There’s never been a time quite like this one. Since Surfing World published issue 428, “Shark Country”, there’s been three shark fatalities around the nation and one very seriously injured swimmer at a Sydney metro beach. Drones are being dispensed to boardriders clubs, shark bite kits are common sightings on coastal trails, and surfers — including Hannah and Nick — are being chased out of former...

THE AGEING DILEMMA, WITH SHANE DORIAN 17.06.2026

Does anyone really think they’ll get old some day? The whole notion of ageing seems to run counter to surf culture’s obsession with youth — after all, at some level, maybe staying young is what it’s all about. But how do you manage that as your body and mind begin the inevitable process of change through mid-life and beyond? Be like a modern tech-bro and obsess instead over immortality? Kick back...

GETTING IT DONE, WITH “NOW DAYS” CREATOR JODIE NELSON 03.06.2026

It’s one thing watching a surf movie, or any movie really. It’s quite another thing to make one. “Now Days”, the recent release via Red Bull’s highly skilled and solidly funded media team, is a classic example. It come across as clean, sharp and clever — you see the surfing, but you never see the work. Jodie Nelson is a surfer and film-maker from Seal Beach, California who has spent decades develo...

SEEING THINGS DIFFERENTLY, WITH TRENT MITCHELL 28.05.2026

What’s a “designer?” Can a designer even tell you? Trent Mitchell is a highly gifted photographer and graphic artist who’s well into one of the most interesting career arcs of his generation. If you’ve seen his book “Australian Lustre” you’ll already know that. But Trent has also signed on as art director of Surfing World, which means he’s deeply tangled up with Nick’s and Hannah’s supposedly crea...

THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT: SELLING THE TOUR 11.05.2026

What happens when you sell a business? Everything changes, that’s what happens. Which means very interesting times ahead for all the people involved in the amazing, entertaining, possibly confusing yet all round brilliant circus you just watched go down at Snapper Rocks. Because the World Surf League is hunting a buyer — or as the press release put it, after “a significant amount of inbound intere...

IN THE WARM SEAT: FELICITY PALMATEER 23.04.2026

Talking for a living isn’t the cakewalk people assume. This is especially true in sport. Even if you have something to say, it can be spun by circumstance — maybe you don’t mesh with the commentary team, maybe nerves mess up your message, maybe your voice is just plain unpleasant! None of this is true of Flick Palmateer. In the WSL CT broadcast machine, she brings a sharp mind to the game, along w...

WHEN SURFING MAKES PEOPLE CRY: PAM BURRIDGE 23.03.2026

Ever been sacked from a job you love? Even better — ever thought you might be sacked, and had to hang around for days in the office corridor waiting to find out? This is what a coupla handfuls of professional surfers just went through at Merewether Beach, with the tiny little addition of it all being on full, worldwide, public display. Competition surfing might be the only kind of surfing capable...

THE CHANGAS: SHOW IT OR BLOW IT 08.03.2026

While we’re on the subject…competition! In case you haven’t tried it, Hannah’s recently gone there on your behalf, and she’s rapidly finding out what a triple-edged sword it can be. You THINK you’re ripping, everyone TELLS YOU you’re ripping, you KNOW you’re the best … and you come third in your heat. Imagine going through this ego-mincer for a living. Well, over the coming week, the citizens of t...

THE OLYMPICS: GOTTA BE IN IT TO WIN IT 24.02.2026

In the past four days, we’ve seen a classic, vaguely farcical, perhaps even hilarious story play out at the very top end of organised competitive surfing. On the surface it looks pretty simple: the WSL CT pros are cut up over a new Olympic selection criteria issued by the International Surfing Association for LA28. The criteria looks like a kick in the teeth for the CT crew, limiting their selecti...

THE CARNAGE, PART ONE: PRO SURFING’S INSANELY AWKWARD BEGINNINGS 14.02.2026

2026 is pro surfing’s 50th anniversary, and it’s been fifty years of epic carnage. 28,000 surfers. Over a billion dollars of investment. You can love it, hate it, or just not care about it, but you can’t really deny it — since 1976, the world tour has grown from very scrappy beginnings into one of surfing’s most potent cultural forces. In these special episodes, Hannah and I look at what’s driven...

RAGLAN SURF REPORT: THE FUNNIEST MAN IN THE GAME 06.02.2026

It’s not secret to anyone who’s tried it: comedy is HARD. And given the number of people who’ve tried it and failed, comedy based on surfing is even harder. It’s weird, because we all know a heap of funny shit happens in the water all the time, but how do you dig it out and show it to the world? Enter Luke Cederman, the dryly witty NZ goofyfoot responsible for the Raglan Surf Report. Luke’s skits...

THE BRAND MACHINE: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SURF INDUSTRY? 30.01.2026

The gossip mills began churning about a year ago. Liberty Brands, the retail curator arm of US private equity play Authentic Brands — which owns most of the surf industry’s most familiar brand names — fell over, taking well over 100 “surf” shops with it. This seemed the final straw for an industry that had done its best to define surf culture for 60 years. But… was it? Or was it part of a much nee...

THE BULL SHARKS OF JANUARY: WHAT JUST HAPPENED, AND WHY? 21.01.2026

Four attacks. Numerous in-water sightings. A whole coastline of surfers wondering — who’s next? It’s safe to say this has not been the January anyone in NSW was expecting. But what’s behind the past few days of mayhem, and the strange stillness that’s followed as surfers stayed out of the water despite very solid, very non-January surf? Turns out the animal involved has changed its behaviour for a...

CHRISTMAS EVERY DAY, WITH BOB McTAVISH 14.01.2026

“Longevity.” It’s a word more and more surfers are throwing around as an aspiration. Well how about eternal youth? At 82, Bonza Bob McTavish has a deeper well of surfing memory than maybe any other surfer in the world, yet he still exudes the stoke and buzz of someone who lives right here with us, in the moment. Truly, he is our very own Santa Claus, yet the gift he gives us is his very own self....

“BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT”: MARK HEALEY AND THE MYSTERY OF OAHU’S NORTH SHORE 10.12.2025

When winter comes to the north shore of Oahu, every swell is shrouded in myth. The Pipeline! Sunset! Waimea Bay! The outer reef spots that nobody ever actually names. But these swells and spots are just like anywhere else. They’re ridden and held down by human beings, just like you and us, and the experience is more down to earth than most of us might imagine. Mark Healey is as down to earth a hum...

THE ACTUAL WORLD CHAMPION: YAGO DORA’S VERY GRACEFUL LIFE 24.11.2025

Recently the World Surf League has been dropping world champ comebacks like they’re on sale. Carissa, Stephanie, John, Gabriel! That’s 19 world titles rolling up almost out of the blue for the 2026 tour. They’ll change the game for sure. But in the meantime, what about the current men’s champ? Universally hailed as a great winner at Cloudbreak back in September, the magnificently chill Yago Dora h...

THE EVOLVING GOAT: KELLY SLATER ON LIFE BEYOND TITLES 14.11.2025

It’s a sporting truism: once you’re a world champ, you’re forever a world champ. But that’s not all you are, and in this classic extended-play run-on from our chat with him during the WSL Finals, Kelly lets his mind wander freely across the new landscape of his life. Hip surgery — which he put off for years while resolving his time on the CT — is on the near horizon, his businesses are sending him...

ONE OF A KIND: KEALA KENNELLY’S LIFE AHEAD OF THE CURVE 05.11.2025

She challenged every surfing stereotype. Beat Andy and Bruce in their local Kauai juniors, charged Pipeline before it was for the fucken girls, towed Teahupo’o on Code Red day. Went on tour, made the top five while hiding her sexuality, then wore it on her sleeve. Built a big wave free-surfing career on the back of credit card debt and mad instinct, then re-built her life around a far more lucrati...

THE NEW BABY: WHY SURFING WORLD IS THE MAG FOR US 28.10.2025

Surf magazines look like fun, but if you end up with one as your very own baby, it’ll kill ya. The beloved Sean Doherty has been dying on the altar of Surfing World magazine every three or so months for five years now. In the process Sean has made and kept making the grittiest, closest-to-the-curl, most beautiful and well, just the best surf magazine in the world. Yet we are talking about somethin...

“WE’D JUST WEAR OUR WETSUITS ALL DAY”: PICKLES AND THE KIDS 07.09.2025

What’s it like to be 22 years old and coming home a world champion? On the way back from a very happy arvo with Molly Picklum and the absolutely stoked North Shelly Boardriders crew, Nick and Hannah dig in to what actually happened at Cloudbreak last week, and how it’s likely to wash through into a very different tour set-up in 2026. And Molly herself drops us a few thoughts about how it all looks...

FINAL FIVES: FROM THE ISLAND, WITH KELLY SLATER AND JON ROSEMAN 30.08.2025

In part two of our special Finals series, Nick and Hannah are joined direct from Tavarua by two people who know the place inside out — literally. Resort director and barrel master Jon Roseman, and the phenomenally skilled GOAT of all GOATs, Kelly Slater. Listen as Jon picks Kelly to win, and Kelly picks apart the whole thing, scenario by scenario, while munching on Tavarua bacon and keeping half a...

FINAL FIVES: FROM THE COUCH, WITH TOM CARROLL 27.08.2025

We’re abject pro surfing fans over here, and when something like what’s about to happen in Fiji comes along, there’s no way we’re letting it just slide by. The WSL’s ten best surfers, vibing each other and themselves into one of the world’s best surf zones, with a world title on the line? One way or another, pretty much everyone’s eyes are gonna be on this madness, so we’re putting together a spec...

WRITING SURFING INTO LIFE, WITH ERIN HORTLE 20.08.2025

Surf-lit is a wobbly field at the best of times, mostly because the writer tries to turn surfing into something it sorta isn’t. Something kooky your daughter’s doing on her summer hols (“Gidget”)? Psycho B-Grade movie cheese (“Point Break”, “The Surfer”)? Scary death metaphor (“The Dogs Of Winter”)? Erin Hortle is a glorious exception to this dismal rule. Erin is one of Australian literature’s ris...

VAUGHAN BLAKEY, THE MAN WITH 16 GEARS 12.08.2025

Presenting yourself in public is not as easy as it seems. When you’re simultaneously presenting as a manic super-frother, a cool headed CT analyst, a party-time ringmaster and  a semi rock star, it could easily turn pretty pear-shaped. Yet Vaughan Blakey contains multitudes, and there’s a very calm and considered person in the centre of this Swellian/mag editor/film producer/extraordinary Australi...

IS SURFING REALLY JUST PORN? 07.08.2025

The first week of August was fantastic wherever you looked. Indonesia, Tahiti, south shore Hawaii, and the whole east coast of Australia — where wasn’t pumping. But what happened next left us feeling vaguely ick. These amazing surf zones were mined mercilessly for clicks: single-ride superwaves dumped endlessly on top of each other across social media, till it felt like you’d seen too much of some...

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