Ways of Working w/ Kholo

In this episode, we sit down with  Daniele Dell’Erba  — organisational psychologist, management consultant, professor, and musician — to explore what truly drives change in organisations. Daniele has spent over two decades facilitating transformation across global Fortune 500 companies, helping leaders navigate the human side of change. From boardrooms to business schools, his work bridges  psycho...

In this episode, we sit down with  Victor Lopes Mascarenhas , designer, futurist, and regenerative thinker whose work bridges design, foresight, and systems change. Originally from Rio de Janeiro, Victor has spent his career reimagining how business and society can evolve beyond sustainability toward regeneration. From leading sustainable innovation for global manufacturers to creating his own des...

In this episode, we sit down with Hannah Verrall , a business architect, analyst, and lifelong problem-solver whose work bridges the gap between people and technology. Hannah has spent nearly three decades helping organisations translate complexity into clarity, designing systems that not only work but make sense for the people who use them. We explore how communication and curiosity lie at the he...

In this episode, we sit down with  Sam Applebee, festival organiser, social entrepreneur, and technologist, whose journey brings together AI consulting, social innovation, and community-led creativity. Sam shares how early experiments with self-organising systems in a London AI startup shaped his views on leadership and collaboration, and how those lessons now inform his work on  Beginnings , a vo...

In this insightful episode, we sit down with Colin Price, a renowned organisational strategist whose career spans PwC, McKinsey, private equity, and entrepreneurial ventures. Colin begins with a remarkable story of working alongside Nelson Mandela, Bill Clinton, and Tony Blair on Robben Island, where even these world leaders admitted to feelings of imposter syndrome. This anecdote sets the tone fo...

In this insightful episode, we sit down with Dena, co-founder of Eden McCallum, to explore the innovative consulting model that has redefined the industry. Dena shares her journey from McKinsey to creating a flexible, trust-based consulting firm that prioritises meaningful work and client relationships. We delve into the evolution of consulting in the age of AI and discuss the future of Eden McCal...

In this episode of Ways of Working, we sit down with Martin Michaelis, a seasoned expert in transforming social systems and organisations. Martin shares his journey from peace mediation in conflict zones to fostering regenerative organisations that serve both nature and humanity. We explore the importance of leadership willing to change, the concept of collective blind spots, and the integration o...

In this conversation, Fernando Duarte, co-founder of Nando's, shares insights into the journey of building a globally recognised restaurant brand. He emphasises the importance of culture, values, and people in creating a successful business. Duarte discusses the challenges faced during the early days, the significance of community engagement, and the need for adaptability in different markets. He...

In this conversation, Sajni and Jenny Leeming explore the evolving landscape of work practices, emphasising the importance of people in driving success. They discuss the challenges of navigating business without a clear playbook, the necessity of building trust and communication within teams, and the role of leaders in fostering a supportive environment for new generations. The dialogue also touch...

In the first episode of Ways of Working, Sajni talks to systems thinker extraordinaire Trevor Hilder, who explains Fractal Organisations in a simple way and how his moral modalities expanded the framework. He has great stories about the regenerative business industry, from coups to groceries and is a joy to listen to. Enjoy this first episode from us at Kholo! Do you like what you hear, and are in...