Vertical Playpen

In this episode Phil sits down with Dr. Peter Gray, renowned psychologist, author of  Free to Learn , and author of Restoring Childhood: How to Set Kids Free in the Age of Anxiety . Together, they explore the true meaning of childhood and play, how adult hyper-vigilance and societal changes have reshaped kids' independence, and why adventurous, self-directed play is crucial for developing resilien...

In this episode of the podcast, Phil kicks off with a listener Q&A addressing how to navigate client expectations when "teachable moments" alter planned activities . He breaks down his approach to balancing client goals with the needs of real-time participants before diving into three key reflections on facilitation and training : An unexpected 911 call: Phil shares a recent, funny-in-hindsight in...

In this episode of Vertical Playpen , hosts Phil Brown and Lisa Hunt explore the concept of the Flow State —that sweet spot where an individual's skillset perfectly aligns with the level of challenge in front of them. Drawing from psychologist Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi's pioneering research as well as their own hands-on experiences in experiential education and facilitation, Phil and Lisa break down...

Join Phil up on the course as he takes you step-by-step through a gear retrieval. From selecting setting up on the ground to climbing to the belay cable, retrieving the gear and managing the descent — hear all the real-time commentary, practical thought processes, and raw ambient sounds of the course. Whether you're interested in the mechanics of ropes course work, safety considerations, or you ju...

In this episode, Phil challenges the assumption that the best ropes course facilitators must be fearless climbers. Drawing from recent training experiences and personal history, we explore why a natural nervousness or fear of heights can actually make you a far superior, more empathetic guide. We break down why hyper-confident instructors often fall into the "just do this" trap, how true connectio...

In this episode, Phil continues his conversation with renowned speaker and author Drew Dudley to unpack how we set goals, define potential, and cultivate everyday leadership. Key Topics Covered: Redefining Goals & Potential: Drew challenges the traditional notion of "potential"—often defined by external expectations and financial metrics—and explains why we need to track smaller milestones ("notch...

What can a long drive on a divided highway, your shower routine, and 80s video games teach us about modern leadership? In this episode, Phil sits down with leadership speaker and author Drew Dudley for a wide-ranging, candid conversation about the unexpected moments that shape how we lead. Together, they challenge traditional definitions of leadership, diving into: The Power of Mundanity: Why "min...

In this episode, we dive deep into the psychology of risk, trust, and personal evolution with world-renowned neuroscientist Dr. Beau Lotto. Using the classic Challenge Zone Model as a jumping-off point, we unpack a crucial yet often overlooked distinction: the difference between comfort and familiarity . Why do we so often choose familiar pain over unfamiliar growth? Dr. Lotto shares how our brain...

What if adventure isn't just an activity, but a fundamental way of perceiving the world? In this episode, host Phil links up with world-renowned neuroscientist and author Dr. Beau Lotto to unpack how our brains process risk, perception, and uncertainty. Drawing on two decades of experience in outdoor and adventure education, Phil explores how experiential learning directly impacts the brain—and wh...

*Anyone using your  VPP15 code - https://facilitators-corner.com/workshopdeck - will receive a  15% discount off* In this episode, Mehdi and Phil explore the art of workshop design, emphasizing the importance of understanding the 'why' behind activities, the value of mastering core facilitation techniques, and how to grow as a facilitator through deliberate practice and reflection.   The importanc...

In this episode, Sean Campbell from Canopy Craft shares his journey from childhood curiosity to professional tree net crafter. We explore the art, craft, safety standards, and community aspects of tree net making, along with practical tips for beginners. Sean's journey into tree net crafting The importance of safety standards in tree nets Community and gatekeeping in the tree net scene Techniques...

Phil shares his approach to teaching knot tying, emphasizing practical techniques, error recognition, and effective teaching strategies. Contact the podcast - podcast@high5adventure.org Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org

Phil shares personal stories and lessons learned from facilitation mistakes, emphasizing the importance of transparency, adaptability, and continuous growth in experiential education. Contact the podcast - podcast@high5adventure.org Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org

Phil Brown explains the 'Spheres of Acceptable Practice' model to help understand industry standards, local procedures, and instructor preferences in adventure and climbing safety. This episode covers how to navigate safety protocols, industry regulations, and personal techniques to ensure safety and compliance.   Spheres of Acceptable Practice model Industry safety standards and regulations Local...

This episode is a little different. We gave NotebookLM access to our website and training literature and asked a simple question: what are the benefits of adventure and experiential education? The result? A deep dive into why challenge, reflection, and adventure experiences continue to be such powerful tools for growth. And yes — everything you hear in this episode is AI. Contact the podcast - pod...

In this interview, Phil Brown and Mike Martin explore the transformative power of experiential education, the importance of reflection and follow-up, and the future role of technology like AI in connecting and developing people.    The importance of reflection and follow-up in experiential learning Strategies for managing the unexpected in facilitation The role of AI in enhancing human connection...

In this inspiring interview, Andrew Alexander King shares his journey from Detroit to becoming a mountaineer, surfer, and advocate for diversity in outdoor education. Discover insights on experiential learning, embracing failure, and mentoring the next generation. Experiential learning cycle and reflection The role of failure in growth and resilience Diversity and inclusion in outdoor education Le...

In this episode, Hutch Hutchinson, a senior lecturer at Boston University, shares his extensive experience and insights into the history and impact of outdoor and experiential education. He discusses the evolution of outdoor education from the 19th century to today, the philosophical differences in educational models, and practical advice for emerging professionals in the field.   History of outdo...

In this episode, we explore the powerful concept of 'sweeping the shed' from James Kerr's book 'Legacy,' emphasizing humility, leadership by example, and the importance of small acts in building strong teams and cultures.   The concept of 'sweeping the shed' from James Kerr's 'Legacy' Humility as a leadership trait and its impact The importance of small acts and leading by example Real-life exampl...

In this interview, organizational development facilitator Mike Cardus shares insights on experiential learning, facilitation wisdom, and adapting activities to different contexts. Discover how to enhance your facilitation skills, innovate activities, and connect more deeply with groups across various environments.   Experiential learning and psychodynamics Facilitation wisdom and handling ambiguit...

In this episode, Jill Vialet, founder of Playworks, shares insights on the importance of play in childhood development, the science behind play, and practical activities to incorporate play into daily life. She discusses her journey, stories from her work, and the future of play in education and society. Learn more about Playworks - https://www.playworks.org/ Contact the podcast - podcast@high5adv...

In this interview, Danny Bauer, aka The Ruckus Maker, shares his journey from student to educator, emphasizing the importance of disruption, joy, and authenticity in schools. Discover how making a ruckus can transform education by fostering impact, courage, and meaningful relationships. Learn more about Danny - https://betterleadersbetterschools.com/ Listen to Better Leaders, Better Schools podcas...

In this episode, Phil discusses the importance of proper equipment storage at challenge courses. He highlights common issues such as equipment being stored in damp areas, lack of organization, and staff using equipment for personal use. Phil provides steps to improve equipment storage, including organizing gear for easy inspection, discarding and replacing faulty equipment, establishing local oper...

Rebecca Courtney shares her journey of valuing influence, experimenting with playful activities, and redefining success in facilitation. In this episode we discuss; Rebecca's motivations for transitioning from AJ&Smart to solo consulting How her background in teaching influences her facilitation style The importance of play in adult learning and overcoming resistance Strategies for introducing pla...

In this insightful interview, Lisa Riegel shares her journey from education to neuroscience, emphasizing the importance of understanding brain science to transform educational systems. Discover practical strategies for creating engaging, relevant, and supportive learning environments that foster student and teacher well-being. Learn more about Lisa and her work - https://lisariegel.com/ Connect wi...