Upside Down People

In this EP Caleb sits down with arguably the greatest tennis champion of all time and undoubtedly Australia's greatest tennis player, Margaret Court. We have a conversation around her remarkable tennis career as well as how faith has transformed her life. From humble beginnings as a country girl from a small town, Margaret made an impact as one of the most dominant tennis players in history! I...

In this episode Caleb has a playful conversation with Jeremy Bourdon, friend of the pod, around the importance of community and individuality in the context of faith and culture. Amidst this they dive into what friendship and identity means in our culture and the necessity to create spaces for meaningful conversations. To find out more about the Upside Down People head over to the website and subs...

In light of celebrating our mums across the world, in this episode Caleb has a conversation with the welcoming and motherly Jamie Erickson, mum of five and lover of the home. With a gospel lens, she draws on the danish practise of Hygge [hue-guh] in discovering how this transforms our everyday living. In a culture of rush, hygge appeals to their desire for rest―for slow living, shared moments, and...

In this episode, Caleb has a conversation with Sarah Juers around dreaming big, creativity, faith and producing music that people love and stirs affections toward Jesus whilst having a little fun along the way. In this conversation you'll hear Sarah's story and how she's learnt to embrace failure and persist without being paralyzed by fear. From music to moving across the country with...

In this EP Caleb Gray and Jeremy Bourdon have a honest conversation around the need for intentional choices, grace, and love in building and maintaining healthy relationships. They discuss the importance of communication and understanding in relationships, particularly in the context of marriage. They talk about the challenges of merging two different backgrounds and family dynamics, and how open...

In this episode Caleb is joined with Dr Jennifer Thomas, bestselling author, TEDx speaker, leadership consultant, and psychologist who is considered to be the leading apology expert of this generation. OneRepublic & Timbaland once said "It's too late to apologize", however Dr. Jen thinks otherwise, revealing to us there is a powerful and proper way to in fact apologise. We talk a...

In this episode Caleb has a conversation with the one and only Jase Robertson, of Duck Dynasty and The Unashamed Podcast. Jase shares personally, unpacking some hilarious duck stories, beard antics and the many challenges he and his family have faced as they've walked into fame. We talk about all the good things in life, ducks, beards (which I have yet to experience) family and the beauty of k...

In this EP I have a conversation with Faith Chang around what human flourishing looks like. We talk about perfectionism, anxiety, the discontentment of the critical inner voice, discovering your ‘calling’ and how we can find peace amidst it all.  Faith is an author, an editorial board member of the SOLA Network and co-hosts the Westminster Kids Digest Podcast at WTS Books.  Her recent book “Peace...

Bonus conversation for our 35TH EPISODE! In this Ep I sit down with my friend Jeremy. In this conversation we talk friendship, fathering philosophies and the challenges and perceptions around stay at home parenting, amongst many other things. Jeremy Bourdon is a husband, friend, brother, pastor and entrepreneur, who's intentional about loving others and seeing people flourish in the space God&...

In this episode I have a conversation with Doug Smith around how technology has the power to shape, form and manipulate our human desires. Doug offers an insider’s perspective on the power of technology, informed by over three decades of software development experience and a lifetime of Bible study. As a software developer, Doug has served Fortune 500 companies, startups, universities, government...

In this episode Caleb has a conversation with Wayne Alcorn, National President of the Australian Christian Churches and Senior Pastor of Hope Centre, around the the challenges facing emerging generations of fathers and sons. Wayne Alcorn is the author of "My Father's Son: A Generational Journey", in which he shares   the personal story of how God’s love transforms generations. Wayne...

In this episode I chat with Craig Petty, Compassion's National Church Lead, around the work of Compassion Australia. We cover a variety of topics including navigating the saviour complex, effective tools and methods used to tackle & release individuals from the poverty cycle, and the success and progression of Compassion's work. We also take a look into Compassion's exciting goal o...

In this episode of the Upside Down People, Caleb has a conversation with the frontman of Kings Kaleidoscope, Chadwick Gardner. Kings K is an American band that you would find hard to pigeonhole, as they have musically layered ear candy that ranges from hip-hop to praise, hymns to rap, rock to alternative indy. There's no denying that Jesus captures the heart of Kings K who's songs offer ho...

In this week's episode of The Upside Down People Podcast we have a conversation with Harrison Scott Key, the acclaimed author of "How to Stay Married: The Most Insane Love Story Ever Told" and explore his hilarious, shocking and spiritually profound story of how his marriage was redeemed against all odds. Harrison Scott Key holds an M.F.A. in creative nonfiction and a Ph. D. in playw...

In this EP, Caleb Gray chats with Howard Fyvie, a filmmaker, musician and social media influencer, about his creative pursuits, parenting philosophies, and the intersection of faith and career. Howard's creative content has been viewed & played millions of times across the globe, but this hasn't averted his desire to stay humble and walk near to God. He reflects on his faith and how it...

In this EP, we sit down with David Zahl, a popular author and theologian, and have a conversation around his recent book "Low Anthropology: The Unlikely Key to a Gracious View of Others (and Yourself)" We discus how human nature, sin and grace can have an impact on how we see and experience things. David also discusses the importance of accepting our limitations as humans and living an e...

In this EP we sit down with Spencer Goldstein and have a conversation around his decision to leave the US Army on reasons of conscience due to his Christian faith. Spencer is the former director of development for the Center on Conscience & War. He is a graduate from West Point, has his masters in biblical exposition, and is committed to peace, justice, and inclusion for the disability communi...

In this EP I sit down with Mikey Lynch and have a conversation around the role of the church and para-church in evangelism and missions. Mikey discusses how communication is key in creating a space of unity between the church and para church missions. Additionally we talk about burnout, digital discipleship and cultural formation in our relationship with Christ. Mikey Lynch is the Editorial Direct...

In this EP Caleb sits down with Stephen McAlpine. The conversation covers a variety of pressing topics Christians are confronted with in this cultural moment, but looks at them through a gospel lens. From individualism to the community, church tinder to cultural discipleship and finding Christ within our culture . Stephen unpacks his thoughts on how we find our identity, express authenticity in a...

In this EP Caleb has a conversation with the evangelical author, Prof. Nancy Pearcey, whose research has critiqued societal and cultural understandings into the concept of masculinity, from the importance of fatherhood to the history of the nuclear family, and the impact of Christianity on marriage. She argues the latest sociological research shows that faithful Christian men make the most stable...

In this EP, Mark Tapping and I sit down with Kara Martin to discuss faith, business and redemptive work. We unpack the connection between the work we do and the outworking of our faith and find that work and worship are intricately connected. Kara Martin is the author of  Workship: How to Use your Work to Worship God , and  Workship 2: How to Flourish at Work;  co-author of  Keeping Faith: How Chr...

In this EP Jarryd and I sit down with Glen Scrivener and have a conversation around how Christian values and morality are found to underpin much of what secularism advocates for in freedom, equality, dignity, progress and kindness. Glen unpacks how the teachings of Jesus continue to underpin the way we think of life, worth, and meaning in this cultural moment. Glen is an ordained minister and the...

In this EP I had privilege to have a conversation with Ronald Rolheiser, an author, priest and theologian. We talk about the Augustinian ideas surrounding the restlessness of the human heart, how our desires form and shape us, the role of faith in parenting and what it looks like to live a prayerful and contemplative life. Ronald Rolheiser serves as the Missionary Oblates of Mary Immaculate (OMI)...

In this first 2024 EP, Jarryd and I sit down with pastor and author, Adam Ramsey, and have a conversation around how we can truly be present in every season of life. Our culture sells us the narrative that we can be everything and achieve anything, however this may be damaging our God given humanity. We discuss how accepting our limitations as humans brings us closer to the meaningfulness of life...

In this EP we have a conversation with Matthew Clarke and Annabella Rossini-Clarke around the transformative potential of mercy, justice, community flourishing and bringing agency to humanity amongst many others. We also explore some ideas of their recent book "Disrupting Mercy", shortlisted as 2023 Sparklit Book of the Year. Matt and Bella are passionate about co-creating a world where...