Spencer Pahlke and Justin Bernstein
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Conversations with the law school trial advocacy community. Hosted by Spencer Pahlke (shareholder at Walkup Melodia and trial advocacy director at UC Berkeley School of Law) and Justin Bernstein (director of trial advocacy at UCLA School of Law).
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Jun 3, 2026
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Episodes
Episode 83 - Meet the Parents (An Incredible Interview with Megan Chaney) 14.03.2024 1:30:29
Introduction (0:00:00). Spencer talks about bunk beds. The Break (0:03:51). Results from Queens DA and AAJ Regionals. Predictions Contest (0:06:03). Katie Powers and Sara Williams return to find out who won. Katie answers a mailbag question, and Sara tries to stay out of hot water. Thoughts on AAJ Regionals (00:15:27). Case balance data, some crazy protest stories, and three pet peeves. Main I...
Episode 82 - "You're A Pain In My Ass!" (plus: AAJ Preview and Predictions!) 07.03.2024 1:34:23
The Break (0:00:00). Results from South Carolina's Trials and Tribulations and LSU's Bayou Challenge -- including a heartwarming tale of congeniality. AAJ Preview (0:03:35). AAJ's lottery system, whether this competition should still be on Zoom, the new death penalty for "reading," and the quality of this year's case. Predictions Challenge (0:24:02). Mercer's...
Episode 81 - Shark Attack 29.02.2024 1:28:38
Introduction (0:00:00). Spencer returns home. Does he still qualify as a California resident? The Break (0:02:28). Results from the Shark Beach Showdown and the Online National Championship. Surprise Guest! Joe Lester. (0:14:34). Joe Lester crashes the Zoom and talks about this first year at Nova Southeastern, does an impression of someone else with a Southern accent, explains why he has so much...
Episode 80 - One Trial, Five Protests 22.02.2024 1:05:28
Introduction (0:00:00). Mailbag questions. The Break (0:07:05). Results from the last weekend of NTC regionals, the final stats from Robert v. Phil, and the winner of Spencer and Justin's bet. Convene the Protest Committee! (0:15:24). Loyola's Susan Poehls, Fordham's Adam Shlahet, and South Carolina's Brett Bayne discuss how they would have handled each of five protests. Can I...
Episode 79 - Changes Coming to NTC (plus the final Pasquarello-Little contest) 15.02.2024 1:22:43
Introduction ( 0:00:00): Spencer returns from his jaunt. The Break (0:05:34): Results from Chester Bedell and Weekend Two of the National Trial Competition, and updated case balance numbers. Changes Coming to NTC ( 0:12:00): Justin puts some direct questions to NTC Co-Chairs Dave Hagan and Ryan Bauerle. Why was the first version of the case so at odds with the community case-writing memo? Why were...
Episode 78 - Is Justice Jackson Guilty? 08.02.2024 1:20:46
Introduction (0:00:00). Spencer makes an absurd itinerary. We discuss the first Berkeley-UCLA scrimmage. And Justin narrates as Spencer's lights keep going out while we record. The Break (0:09:28). Results from the National Trial League Finals and Weekend One of the National Trial Competition. Is Justice Jackson Guilty? (0:11:39). Justin crunches the case balance numbers from the first six r...
Episode 77 - "Call me Defending Champion" (Little v. Pasquarello NTC Predictions Contest) 01.02.2024 1:06:37
Introduction (0:00:00). Spencer and Justin get ready for their teams to scrimmage. NTC Survey Results (0:02:44). What did coaches say about the case? The case changes? The enlargement rule? Do people like "live" witness -- or consider them a burden? NTC Predictions Contest (0:29:31). Baylor's Robert Little and Drexel's Phil Pasquarello make fun of each other for 30 minutes. Th...
Episode 76 - The Dorkiest Closing (Tribute to Nancy Schultz & Interview with Rick Levin) 25.01.2024 1:16:41
Season six is underway! Introduction (0:00:00). Justin shares some big news. Spencer attempts a bribe. Tribute to Nancy Schultz (0:09:24). Stetson's Liz Boals, Nova's Joe Lester, and Chapman's John Bishop talk about their friend -- and in John's case, mentor -- Chapman's Nancy Schultz. Sponsorship Update (0:36:53). Justin asked Haagen Dazs to become an official sponsor o...
Episode 75 - Back in a Flash! (Flash Trials 2023) 28.12.2023 56:42
Hi Everyone! Hope your holiday season has been relaxing and rejuvenating! Just when you thought Season Five was over, we thought we'd interrupt your break with a little unscripted fun, with the second edition of our from-the-trenches reporting of the National Flash Trial Competition. Introduction (0:00:00). Where has Justin gone? And who is that in his seat? Sam Chase joins as co-host. F...
Episode 74 - "I think about what I want tomorrow to be" (A.J. Bellido de Luna) 07.12.2023 1:18:35
Our final episode of Season Five! Introduction (0:00:00). TYLA announces a good rule, and the ABA contemplates a bad rule. (To send a comment to the ABA, email Fernando. Mariduena@americanbar.org and refer to Standards 304, 405, 701, and 702. ) US News (0:05:40). With ballots coming out soon, we examine statistical trends in the US News voting. What's changed about the way people vote? Do c...
Episode 73 - How Do You Handle the Fame? 30.11.2023 1:05:24
Introduction (0:00:00). Spencer and his brother Jackson explain their recent multi-million dollar verdict -- and what it was like trying a case together. The Break (0:16:34). Final results from the Fall. Who Won? Gavel Predictions Contest (0:18:21): Hofstra's Jared Rosenblatt announces the top 10 schools of the Fall, and Quinnipiac's Sean McGuinness and Ryan O'Neill find out who wo...
Episode 72 - Friends and Family (with Superstar Trial Lawyer Rick Friedman) 16.11.2023 42:54
Introduction (00:00). Spencer goes to trial (with his brother!), and Justin goes to a wedding. The Break (04:13). Results from five competitions. Scripties Preview (08:14). Click this link to vote for this Fall's best competitions. Suggested Plagiarism (09:32). Rick Friedman has won three $100,000,000 verdicts and written five bestselling trial books, including Rules of the Road: A Plaintiff...
Episode 71 - The Next James Bond? 09.11.2023 1:10:56
Introduction (0:00:00) . Sam puts on a wedding ring, Spencer puts on a costume, and Justin puts on a tournament. A new national competition (0:06:20) . Find out the details! The Break (0:09:04) . Results from four competitions! Where are they now? (0:11:36) Akron's Imokhai Okolo leaves a big firm and hangs his own shingle. Main Interview (0:21:31) . McGeorge's Reza Rezvani tells us how...
Episode 70 - Sad Lunch 02.11.2023 43:04
Introduction (00:00). Spencer celebrates a birthday. Justin shares some big career news. The Break (07:16). Results from four competitions! Main Interview with Paige Boorman (09:01). Georgia State's director breaks into song, introduces "Sad Lunch" into mock trial lexicon, exaggerates her abilities as a markswoman, and humors Justin by playing a game called, "Georgia or Georgia...
Episode 69 - Hear Her Roar (Literally) 26.10.2023 1:04:34
Introduction (0:00:00). Spencer looks for his name in the footnotes. We preview the Tournament of Champions. The Break (0:10:10). Results from Syracuse! Main Interview with Stetson's Kate Donoghue (0:11:00). Kate talks about surviving a bear attack that wasn't a bear attack, explains how Stetson got back to #1 in US News, shares some strong opinions about potato chips, and offers excuse...
Episode 68 - Just Because It's Freezing Doesn't Mean It's Cold 19.10.2023 1:00:09
The Break (0:03:29). Results from Stetson Pretrial, Davis MLK, and Buffalo. Plus, Spencer shows some geographical ignorance... TYLA Responds, Part II (0:05:30). TYLA announces announces the site for Nationals 2024! Are they adding a fourth preliminary round at Nats? What will that do the schedule? Will TYLA consider providing witnesses at Nationals to defray the costs for schools? And has TYLA r...
Episode 67 - TYLA Responds (and Cross Expert Larry Pozner) 12.10.2023 1:05:40
Listener Mailbag (0:00:00) . Spencer is wrong about the law. Jeff Brooks wants credit for a bad idea. Justin's mother goes rogue. The Break (0:12:40) . Results from Hofstra's Medical Legal Competition and UCLA's Verdict. TYLA Responds (0:13:47) . In the first half of a two-part interview, members of the NTC committee join us to respond to the community letter -- signed by 100 coache...
Episode 66 - Rise of the Projectors 05.10.2023 1:05:33
Introduction (0:00:00) . Spencer thinks he's the victim of a robbery. Justin prepares for the Verdict. Projector-Gate (0:06:31) . Adam Shlahet joins the show to take credit (blame) for starting an email discourse about projectors. We discuss the future of technology in trial competitions. And Adam makes an alarming discovery. The Break (0:30:14) . Results from Best in Texas and Denver's...
Episode 65 - The Rule of Three (with star trial lawyer Ashok Ramani) 28.09.2023 1:00:27
Introduction (0:00:00). Spencer returns to the classroom. Justin takes tournament meals to a new level. And we preview the innovative new Summit Cup rules. The Break (0:10:48). Results from Battle of the Experts. Suggested Plagiarism (0:13:54). Superstar trial lawyer Ashok Ramani talks about the Rule of Three and how he uses it in the some the country's most complex cases. Where Are They Now...
Episode 64 - Who Hates My Cousin Vinny?!? 21.09.2023 57:47
Introduction (0:00:00) . Spencer introduces a new map, Justin publishes a new book, and they discuss the "new" Fordham Rankings. Main Interview with Phil Pasquarello (0:10:23). Drexel's trial competition director talks about what it was like being coached by Jared Rosenblatt (and Justin), getting caught during a vulnerable moment at Top Gun, how he feels about turning into his fa...
Episode 63 - The (Former) Bachelor 14.09.2023 1:03:52
Introduction (0:00:00). Spencer is in London. Justin is in America. The Break (0:06:31). Results from Berkeley's Flash Trial Competition, and a gaffe from one of Justin's students. Main Interview (0:11:51). Texas's Mike Golden gets grilled about being named one of Austin's most eligible bachelors (we have his dating video!). He tries to sidestep a question about UT's bigge...
Episode 62 - Fall Competition Predictions 07.09.2023 55:21
(0:00:00) Introduction . On the eve of Berkeley's National Flash Trial Competition, Spencer bemoans how exhausted he is from all that work done by others. (0:05:27) Fall Prediction Contest . Quinnipiac's Sean McGuiness and Ryan O'Neill each pick the schools they expect to have the best fall competition season. Ryan brags about his lips. Sean puts his marriage at risk. (0:25:24) Hap...
Episode 61 - Wildly Inadmissible 31.08.2023 56:16
We're back! On the kickoff to this new season, Spencer and Justin: (00:00) Catch up on their summers. (05:17) Devise a horrible plan for improving the show's arbitrary Internet ranking. (12:07) Preview the 6 major storylines for the upcoming season. (25:43) Highlight community news -- new jobs, new titles, and new accolades -- and speculate about who will work for every US law school fir...
Episode 60 - Real Journalism (with Erwin Chemerinsky) 11.05.2023 40:16
We thought Season 4 was over, but then ... Breaking news! The 2024 US News Rankings are out. And we've got instant analysis, hot off the presses. (0:00:00) Intro. Spencer and Justin wonder: Does this count as actual journalism? Is this the episode that gets them a Pulitzer? (0:03:09) Dean Erwin Chemerinsky joins to talk about whether the new US News methodology is an actual improvement, why...
Episode 59 - Heavy is the Head 04.05.2023 1:04:21
(0:00:00) Spencer plays golf and Justin announces a new competition. (00:07:07) Where Art Thou, US News? We discuss the delayed, further delayed, and now indefinitely delayed rankings. (0:15:06) Sara Peters. We get to know Spencer's colleague, who shares her winning trial strategies -- and an embarrassing story about Spencer. (0:35:01) Who's Going to Top Gun? Baylor's Rob Little ann...
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