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Under The Gloss with Phoebe Burgess
Under The Gloss doesn’t just scratch the surface, we go deep into conversations you didn’t know you needed to hear. Phoebe Burgess unpacks everything from sex, relationships, cancel culture and social media through the lens of honest and compelling conversations with experts, celebs and brave people with a story to share. No topic is off limits: if you’re Googling it or sharing it in your DM’s, Under The Gloss is talking about it.
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Episodes
Moana Hope on finding hope after a traumatic birth 07.12.2022 56:23
Moana Hope has a lot going on. She’s an AFL footy star, she runs a business with 130 staff, she’s a mother of two under two and is the full time carer to her sister Vinny. In today’s episode, Moana chats to Phoebe about the traumatic moment she thought she lost her son during birth, how she struggled with intimacy, and why she and her wife, Belle, both breastfeed their babies. This is Moana like y...
Keira Rumble on intimacy, trauma and becoming a mum 30.11.2022 1:01:10
In the last few years, Keira Rumble has suffered six miscarriages, a heterotopic pregnancy, was diagnosed with endometriosis and underwent emergency surgery. On top of everything – she started two businesses. On today’s episode, Keira joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat about how she navigates grief in the public eye, why she saw IVF as failure and how she launched a business with a newborn....
Rebecca Vallance on IVF, mother’s guilt and being the architect of your life 23.11.2022 51:43
When Rebecca Vallance’s business was really taking off, she was enduring heartbreaking miscarriages and gruelling IVF treatments. In today’s episode, Rebecca joins Phoebe to chat about her traumatic pregnancies, the joys of raising her two boys, the inspiration behind her fashion empire, and she explains how she navigates those dreadful feelings of mother’s guilt. Content warning: this episode of...
The unspoken toll of becoming a surgeon 16.11.2022 47:47
Have you ever spoken to your boss about egg freezing? What about when you’re planning to have children? For Dr Wendy Liu and Dr Joyce Yu, it’s these uncomfortable and deeply personal topics that have become the norm for themselves and other trainee surgeons. On this episode of Under The Gloss, the doctors join Phoebe to chat about the shame and guilt surrounding female surgeons and motherhood, and...
Phoebe opens up about her breast reduction journey - part two 10.11.2022 1:04:54
Boobs…we’re talking about them – again! In this part two episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe is answering all your questions about breast reductions. Joining her to discuss every single detail is writer Mary Madigan, as well as Phoebe’s own surgeon, Dr Steven Liew. How painful is it? Is there any scarring? How do you learn to love your body? No questions are off-limits in this chat. To listen to pa...
Ashlee's warning: social media and the pressure for perfect 02.11.2022 46:55
When Ashlee Thomas was 13, she went on a health kick using social media. Just a year later, she was diagnosed with anorexia. She was hospitalised for 12 weeks and her heart stopped – twice. A startling new Australian study has shown Ashlee isn’t the only one experiencing mental health problems because of social media. On this episode of Under The Gloss, Ashlee joins Phoebe, and Body and Soul’s Ali...
Kate Waterhouse is ready to break fashion rules 27.10.2022 41:09
For those who might think Kate Waterhouse’s last name got her places, her family life really only ignited her own love and passion for the racing world. In this special episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe chats to Kate about growing up in the spotlight, forging her own path in life, why she doesn’t take her own style advice and how she’s empowering her two young daughters. See omnystudio.com/listen...
Christian Wilkins on genderless fashion, trolls and ‘leg prisons’ 26.10.2022 36:46
In this episode of Under The Gloss, Christian Wilkins joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat all things fashion in the lead up to the Melbourne Cup. He also talks about why his dad will never use the word ‘shame’ when it comes his bold looks, what he actually said to those Logies dress trolls and why he refers to pants as leg prisons. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Trinny Woodall on relationship breakdowns, IVF and puppy nappies 21.10.2022 49:22
Trinny Woodall may be known as the straight-talking, taller half of Trinny and Susannah – the fashion duo responsible for reality TV makeovers. But she’s since turned her love of helping women feel good into a multi-million dollar beauty empire – Trinny London. In this episode of Under The Gloss, Trinny joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat relationship breakdowns, losing loved ones, the toll o...
‘My mum is giving me her uterus’ 11.10.2022 48:20
Imagine growing your baby in the very same womb you were grown in. It might sound like a story line straight from Hollywood, but for Kirsty and Michelle, it’s about to become their reality. Next year, Michelle will be donating her uterus to her daughter in what is Australia’s first-ever uterus transplant trial. There really are no limits to a mother’s love. Content warning: this episode of Under...
Jonathan Seidler on bipolar, suicide and infertility 05.10.2022 44:41
Jonathan Seidler was in his early 20s when his father committed suicide. While juggling feelings of grief and vulnerability, life gave him more curveballs – Jonathan was diagnosed with bipolar and experienced infertility. The author sat down with Phoebe Burgess for an incredibly raw and emotional chat about traversing life’s biggest issues. He also put pen to paper in his new memoir – It’s A Shame...
Stephanie Wood fell in love with a fraudster 27.09.2022 47:36
In this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe talks to journalist Stephanie Wood about a relationship that was going well....they chatted, they met in person, they went on romantic dates, they talked about growing old on an olive farm together....and then went very badly, with Stephanie discovering the man was dating someone else, he was bankrupt, he had a fraud related criminal conviction and so muc...
Me-time, abstinence and internal showers: let's unpack 21.09.2022 41:24
Is me-time a load of BS? Do we all need to abstain from sex? And why on earth are ‘internal showers’ trending on TikTok? In this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe welcomes Felicity Harley, author and host of Body & Soul podcast Healthy-ish, and Alison Izzo, digital and beauty director of Body & Soul to chat about the weird, wonderful and frankly WTF wellness trends. See omnystudio.com/l...
Jana Pittman on authoring your own life: six kids, divorce and resilience 13.09.2022 38:10
You’re probably already familiar with the name Jana Pittman. The four-time Commonwealth Games gold medallist turned doctor, is also a mother of six children, each with unique stories of how they came to be. Her journey to motherhood has been anything but conventional: sperm donation, IVF, egg donation, solo-parenting, and co-parenting. Pittman has (almost) done it all. In this episode of Under Th...
“I remember just feeling so free” Phoebe and Leah Itsines chat breast reductions 06.09.2022 30:39
Boobs…let’s talk about them. In this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe and author, cook and Bare founder, Leah Itsines chat about their personal decisions to undergo a breast reduction. From chronic pain to breast-feeding, common misconceptions to confidence, Phoebe and Leah explore the physical and emotional journey to a smaller cup-size. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Kathryn Eisman can decode your clothes 02.09.2022 38:29
Kathryn Eisman has a unique skill. The Aussie journalist and producer can tell what you’re thinking, by what you’re wearing. She’s even written two books about it - How To Tell A Man By His Shoes and How To tell A Woman By Her Handbag – which investigates how the decisions we make about what to wear each morning have a profound impact on the way the world sees us, and how we see ourselves. In this...
Camilla Franks is letting go of perfectionism 23.08.2022 51:17
You probably know Camilla Franks as the ‘kaftan queen’: the larger-than-life icon of the Australian fashion industry whose designs are loved by Oprah, JLo, and Robbie Williams. But beyond Camilla, the designer, is Camilla the advocate and all-round champion for breast cancer awareness and screening – a journey she knows all too well after being diagnosed with breast cancer in 2018, eight weeks aft...
Edwina McCann, Vogue Australia editor-in-chief: Media, the Met Gala and future-proofing a brand 16.08.2022 39:18
In this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe asks all the burning questions of Edwina McCann, Vogue Australia editor-in-chief and Prestige Publisher. From walking the red carpet at this year's Met Gala, to what it truly means to be a sustainable fashion brand, and the evolution of Vogue, Edwina and Phoebe delve Under The Gloss of one of the globe's most influential and recognisable brands. See omny...
We need to talk about 'The Infertility Trap' 09.08.2022 33:21
According to experts, Australia is on the cusp of a major fertility crisis. Dubbed 'The Infertility Trap' by reproductive biologist, John Aitken, we’re apparently having less children than we did fifty years ago and we're relying on assisted reproductive technologies to do so. To unpack this, Phoebe is joined by Vogue Australia's senior health and beauty editor, Remy Rippon, to discuss her own fer...
Considering leaving your job? Emma Lewisham and Gab Waller have some advice 02.08.2022 32:09
What happens when your career takes a complete left turn? What does it take to drop what you’re doing and pursue your passion? On this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe chats to the wardrobe whisperer of Instagram, Gab Waller and New Zealand-based beauty mogul, Emma Lewisham about career pivots, being led by your passion, and the challenges of building a business from the ground up. See omnystud...
Polyamory and Open Relationships – Phoebe does a deep dive 26.07.2022 53:17
What does it mean to be polyamorous, in an open relationship, or non-monogamous? In this episode of Under the Gloss, Phoebe chats with make-up artist Max Serrano about redefining relationships, boundaries, kinks, and how she navigates dating her husband, with expert advice from sex coach Georgia Grace. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Masterchef’s Melissa Leong on boundaries and the stories Australia is ready to hear 19.07.2022 41:30
There’s more to Melissa Leong, than what we see on our screens each night. Deep-thinking and whip-smart, Melissa was on track to attend the Conservatorium of Music before turning her attention to the food industry as a writer, consultant and broadcaster. Then, in 2020, Masterchef came knocking, and life as she knew it, shifted gears. In this episode of Under The Gloss, Melissa talks about letting...
Where on earth does Australia stand on abortion rights? 12.07.2022 39:57
Reproductive and abortion rights are back on the news agenda in the wake of the US Supreme Courts landmark over-turning of Roe v Wade. In this episode, Phoebe chats to award-winning journalist and author Gina Rushton about how this decision has been felt outside of the US and what this ultimately means for reproductive rights here in Australia. Gina Rushton's book: The Most Important Job In The...
Find My Friend – Laura Henshaw and Steph Claire Smith on navigating their friendship 07.07.2022 34:40
Friends. Besties. Mates. Whatever you want to call your inner circle, our close friendships are among the most important connections we have in our lives. But what happens when life events like marriage, motherhood, divorce, and career moves, alter those close bonds? And how do we navigate the natural ebbs and flows with those closest to us? In this episode, Phoebe sits down with BFF’s and founder...
Part Two - Kylie Moore-Gilbert's extraordinary prison survival story 26.06.2022 38:16
Kylie Moore-Gilbert spent 804 days in an Iranian jail. The then 31-year-old University of Melbourne academic travelled to Iran for a conference, was arrested at the airport, charged with espionage and sentenced to 10 years in prison. This is the second part of Phoebe's conversation with Kylie. In this episode, we delve into the very complicated love triangle Kylie found herself involved in, as wel...
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