Two Priests on the Patio

Why are so many people leaving churches while others—especially young people—are actively seeking spiritual community? In this episode of Two Priests on the Patio, Jeff and Sue Ann explore one of the great paradoxes of our time. They discuss why many have become disillusioned with institutional religion through experiences of exclusion, hypocrisy, abuse of power, and fear-based faith. At the same...

Why do so many people encounter churches that seem nothing like Jesus? In this episode of Two Priests on the Patio, Jeff and Sue Ann Ward explore one of the most important spiritual questions they’ve ever received from a listener: If the Church is supposed to be the Body of Christ, why do so many people experience something that looks nothing like Jesus? Using the story of Zacchaeus from Luke 19,...

Is Faith About YOU… or ALL OF US? | Straight Talk About The Common Good What does it mean to live not just for ourselves—but for one another? We explore the tension between individual good and the common good, beginning with a provocative insight from Thomas Aquinas: “The good of the multitude is more divine than the good of the individual.” But what does that really mean in our lives today? We re...

In this opening episode of a new season, recorded from a more intimate home setting, we explore a timely and deeply spiritual question: What does it mean to be awake in a world where everything is connected? As spring unfolds and Earth Day invites reflection, we move beyond a once-a-year awareness toward a deeper recognition—that every day is an opportunity to encounter the sacred woven into creat...

Two Priests on the Patio | Season 3 Finale  "Thank heavens there is no Hell!"   In this episode, Canon Sue-Ann and Ven Jeff explore evolving Christian perspectives on hell, emphasizing love, compassion, and metaphor over literalism, while discussing faith, suffering, societal responsibility, and inclusive spirituality grounded in Christ’s teachings. What did you grow up believing about hell? And d...

About This Episode In this special episode dedicated to women for International Women's Day, Reverend Canon Sue Ann Ward (Church of the Incarnation, Oakville) and the Venerable Jeff Ward (St. Cuthbert's Church, Oakville) takes on one of the church's most consequential and contested legacies: the misuse of scripture to diminish, shame, and silence women. Flying solo without producer Che Marville fo...

What happens when following your calling means losing your community? In this raw and revealing conversation, married Anglican priests Sue Ann Warren and Jeff Ward open up about the price they paid for answering God's call, leaving the Roman Catholic Church, facing friends who thought they were going to hell, and coming home to "prayer gifts" urging them to "snap out of it." Twenty-five years late...

In this episode of Two Priests on the Patio, Che Marville sits down with Reverend Canon Sue-Anne Warren and the Venerable Jeff Ward to explore Chapter 15 of Dr Lisa Miller’s The Awakened Mind: Awakened Connection, a chapter that bridges spirituality, neuroscience, and the deep human need for belonging. Together, they unpack emerging evidence from brain scans, prayer studies, and consciousness rese...

In this episode of Two Priests on the Patio, host Che Marville shifts the format to focus on a single powerful question from the growing community of listeners. Rev. Jeff Ward reads aloud a beautifully articulated letter from Jasmine, who asks what many women have wrestled with: How can I practice Christianity when so much of the language and imagery feels male-centred? How do I find God beyond th...

In this episode of Two Priests on the Patio, host Che Marville continues the journey with Reverend Canon Sue Ann Ward and the Venerable Jeff Ward to explore how this podcast came to be and the origins of "Two Priest on the Patio".  Drawing on inspiration from Dr. Lisa Miller's groundbreaking work "The Awakened Brain" and John Fugelsang's book "Separation of Church and Hate" Whether you're in the w...

Inspired by The Awakened Brain by Dr. Lisa Miller   In this soul-stirring episode of The Awakening with Two Priests,  Hosted by Reverend Canon Sue Anne Ward and Venerable Jeff Ward have a robust conversation inspired by Chapter 14 of Lisa Miller’s The Awakened Brain. Together, they explore the sacred practice of awakened attention and the art of listening for the divine voice within us amid the ch...

In this third episode of The Awakening with The Wards, host Che Marville continues the journey with Reverend Canon Sue Ann Ward and the Venerable Jeff Ward to explore how depression, despair, and even Loneliness can be doorways to more profound awakening.   Drawing from Dr. Lisa Miller's groundbreaking work The Awakened Brain, the conversation boldly addresses how the darker seasons of life, espec...

In this deeply contemplative episode of The Awakening with The Wards, your host, Che Marville, is joined once again by the Venerable Jeff Ward and Reverend Canon Sue Anne Ward. Together, they explore the essence of prayer not just as ritual, but as a path to inner awakening and divine relationship.   What if you're already spiritual, just not religious? In this week's episode of The Awakening with...

We are introducing a new series called Awakening with the Wards, it is inspired by the work of Dr. Lisa Miller, and we are using her book, The Awakened Brain, to look at the relationship between spirituality and science. Our mission is to help and serve through the Christian faith.   Peace and blessings to you.