Two Point Conversion with BYU Football: A Gospel Discussion Podcast

What do a Cold War Army colonel, a BYU religion professor, and an NFL wide receiver have in common? More than you'd think. This week, Connor Pay and Chase Roberts sit down with Professor Ken Alford — a retired U.S. Army colonel, West Point computer science professor, and now BYU Ancient Scripture instructor in his 19th year — to dig into 2 Kings 2–7 and the ministries of Elijah and Elisha. In this...

Connor Pay is joined by his brother Trevor, a current offensive lineman at BYU, and special guest Professor John Hilton III — BYU religion professor and Scripture Central contributor — for a deep dive into 1 Kings. John guides Connor and Trevor through the division of Israel under Rehoboam and Jeroboam, the strange tale of the two prophets at dinner, the Widow of Zarephath's extraordinary faith, t...

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by BYU Ancient Scripture professor Ross Baron for a deep dive into one of the Old Testament's most sobering stories — the fall of King David. They unpack how a man of towering faith could unravel so completely. Professor Baron brings the Hebrew text to life — revealing that David wasn't just "walking" on the roof; he was pacing, a caged lion far from where h...

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by BYU religion professor Robbie Taggart for a memorable episode about David and punk rock. Before diving into the scriptures, Robbie shares his remarkable backstory — from playing bass in punk bands alongside the future members of The Used, to serving a mission that changed everything, to eventually earning a PhD and landing his dream job teaching religion...

Connor and Chase are flying solo this week for a shorter, more personal episode diving into 1 Samuel 8–10, 13, 15, and 16 — the chapters that set the stage for one of Scripture's most iconic stories: David and Goliath. This week, the guys reflect on the powerful theme that whom the Lord calls, He qualifies — and what it means to feel unworthy of a calling but show up anyway. Connor shares his own...

BYU religion professor Tyler Griffin joins Connor Pay and Chase Roberts for a deep dive into the Book of Ruth and the opening chapters of 1 Samuel. What begins as an overlooked four-chapter story becomes a rich exploration of loyalty, redemption, and what it means to trust God in seasons of uncertainty. Professor Griffin unpacks the powerful symbolism woven through Ruth's story — how Naomi represe...

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by BYU professor of ancient religion Josh Matson for a rich discussion on the Book of Judges as part of this week's Come Follow Me study. Josh shares his winding journey to BYU — from being cut from his high school basketball team, to a mission for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Canada, rejected job applications, a week in Hawaii that led...

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome BYU cheerleader and social media personality Ammon Montenegro to the podcast. Chase kicks things off with an inside look at life as an NFL rookie — grueling OTA schedules, thousand-page playbooks, and the constant pressure to perform every detail flawlessly. Then Ammon shares his remarkable journey: growing up as one of eleven kids in Las Vegas, playing footbal...

In this episode, hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by BYU offensive lineman Kyle Sfarcioc for a conversation that covers football, faith, and the journey in between. Chase shares his exciting news: he just signed with the Las Vegas Raiders and is heading to mini camp immediately after recording. Kyle opens up about his remarkable first year as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of...

In this week's episode, Connor and Chase sit down with American Fork head football coach Aaron Behm and his father-in-law, Scott McKinney, retired pastor of CenterPoint Church, for a conversation that moves from high school football to the Ten Commandments. The group reflects on a "love first" mentality in high school football, shaping young athletes in an increasingly wicked world and the success...

Connor and Chase are back in the studio once again and have welcomed Kassidy Roberts, Chase's older sister, on the podcast to discuss thoughts and impressions from General Conference, as well as dive into this week's Come Follow Me covering Exodus 14-18. They discuss Moses parting the Red Sea, as well as the habits that the Israelites continued to fall back on, even after witnessing miracles; murm...

In this special episode, hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome very special guests — President and Sister Caplin, Connor's former mission president and his wife, now serving in the St. George Temple presidency — for an in-depth exploration of the Passover. Drawing on President Caplin's unique background as a descendant of Jewish converts and a lifelong student of the Torah, the group unpacks...

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts will be taking a break from the podcast this week to celebrate Easter and challenge listeners to share their favorite conference talks with them. You can send them a message on their Instagram page.

Co-Hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome John Bytheway, the co-host of the "Follow Him" podcast, to dive into Exodus chapters 1 through 6. From the rise of a new Pharaoh who "knew not Joseph" to the burning bush and Moses' call to deliver Israel, this episode explores what it means to know who you are when the world — or the adversary — tries to tell you otherwise. The trio shares insights in...

This week, Connor and Chase are holding things down on their own as they explore Genesis 42–50 and the remarkable story of Joseph in Egypt. What begins as a familiar Old Testament narrative quickly opens up into something richer — a life full of deliberate, Christlike parallels. Joseph is rejected by his own brothers, sold for silver, imprisoned unjustly, and ultimately lifted to a position of lif...

Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts for a powerful episode featuring three special guests: former sister missionaries Izabele Christensen and Ivy Stout, and convert James Calderon, whom they taught in the Washington, D.C. South Mission. In this deeply personal episode, James shares his remarkable journey from a difficult separation and divorce to finding truth through the restored gospel. What...

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts really needed to take a break. Connor recently got married and was on his honeymoon, while Chase Roberts has been participating in the NFL Draft Combine. They'll be back next week for a brand new episode of Two Point Conversion.

Hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts chat with Shan Arumugam, whose remarkable story of faith and transformation will inspire anyone facing adversity. From growing up in India's "untouchable" caste system to finding hope in the gospel of Jesus Christ, Shan shares his incredible journey—from contemplating suicide as a university student to discovering missionaries who changed his life forever. His st...

Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts for a powerful, faith-filled conversation with former Utah Utes center Jaren Kump. In this episode, Jaren opens up about his unexpected journey—from being committed to BYU to ultimately choosing the University of Utah—and how personal revelation guided him through that difficult, soul-searching decision. Together, they dive into Genesis 12–17 and Abraham 1–2...

Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts, along with special guest Andrew Gentry, as they dive deep into Moses chapter 7 and explore what it means to build Zion in our modern world. In this episode, the trio discuss Enoch's powerful vision of human history, God's emotional connection to His children, and the profound doctrine of agency. They explore how the Lord weeps for us, why He gave us the abi...

Join hosts Connor Pay and special guest co-host Trevor Pay as they sit down with former BYU punter and current Cincinnati Bengals player Ryan Rehkow. In this episode, the crew dives deep into Moses Chapter 6 and the story of the prophet Enoch—a man who felt completely unqualified for his calling. Sound familiar? Ryan shares his wild journey from an undrafted free agent workout to becoming an NFL p...

Former BYU football players Connor Pay and Chase Roberts return for a new season of Two Point Conversion, this year exploring the Old Testament. In this episode, the duo reconnects after a few weeks away, catching up on major life changes: Chase is now training in California for the NFL Combine (complete with his new post-BYU beard), while Connor continues coaching at BYU. Despite being remote, th...

Two Point Conversion is coming back soon. Host Connor Pay explains why an episode hasn't been released and when the next one is expected to be released.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome Sheri Dew, author and executive VP of Deseret Management Corporation. In this heartfelt conversation, Sheri shares her journey from a Kansas farm to leading major media organizations and writing biographies of prophets. The discussion dives deep into faith, resilience, and the lessons learned from both football and spiritual leadership. The trio reflects on the...

In this episode of Two Point Conversion, hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by a very special guest—Connor’s grandmother, Gail Pay—for a deep and personal discussion about family, faith, and the importance of the Family Proclamation. Gail shares her life story, family history, and the powerful experiences that have shaped her testimony. Together, the trio explores the significance of fa...