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Turning State's
Turning State's is a podcast for North Carolina prosecutors and others interested in the criminal justice system in North Carolina. It is hosted by Joseph L. Hyde, prosecutor advisor with the University of North Carolina School of Government, and Jonathan Holbrook, director of training with the North Carolina Conference of District Attorneys. The podcast follows the format of a case update. Each episode features Hyde and Holbrook discussing a few criminal cases recently decided by North Carolina appellate courts. Listeners can expect to stay up to date on relevant criminal caselaw and receive...
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Jun 15, 2026
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Episode 39: Cole, Williams, and Thomas 15.06.2026 34:54
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Appellate Courts in March and April 2026. In State v. Cole, No. COA24-563 (N.C. Ct. App. April 1, 2026), the Court of Appeals found no error in the trial court’s instructing the jury on the felony [...]
Episode 38: Butler, Smathers, and Sloan 28.05.2026 37:02
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals on March 18, 2026. In State v. Butler, No. COA25-9 (N.C. Ct. App. March 18, 2026), the Court of Appeals found insufficient evidence of serious bodily injury to support a conviction for assault [...]
Episode 37: Barbour, Hollis, and Hunt 12.05.2026 37:42
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals on March 4, 2026. In State v. Barbour, COA24-664 (N.C. Ct. App. Mar. 4, 2026), the Court of Appeals held the State presented sufficient evidence contradicting the defendant’s castle doctrine defense to warrant [...]
Episode 36: Cooke, Villareal, and Sanchez 28.04.2026 33:32
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals on February 18, 2026. In State v. Cooke, No. COA25-527 (N.C. Ct. App. Feb. 18, 2026), the Court of Appeals vacated the judgment where the trial court proceeded without first determining that the [...]
Episode 35: Gibbon, Toomer, and Julius 14.04.2026 37:29
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Caroline Court of Appeals on February 4, 2026. In State v. Gibbon, No. COA25-415 (N.C. Ct. App. Feb 4, 2026), the Court of Appeals found the prosecutor conducted the necessary investigation between presentment and indictment by reviewing [...]
Episode 34: Oaks, Braswell, and Robinson 01.04.2026 40:16
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals on January 7 and January 21 of 2026. In State v. Oakes, No. COA25-247 (N.C. Ct. App. Jan. 7, 2026), the Court of Appeals concluded that a voicemail was sufficiently authenticated by voice [...]
Episode 33: White, Leggett, and Phillips 17.03.2026 39:26
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals on January 7, 2026. In State v. White, No. COA25-470 (N.C. Ct. App. Jan. 7, 2026), the Court of Appeals found no error in the denial of the defendant’s motion to suppress when [...]
Episode 32: Calderon, Allison, and Ford 02.03.2026 37:37
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Supreme Court on December 12, 2025. In State v. Calderon, No. 238A23 (N.C. Dec. 12, 2025), the Supreme Court applied the distinct-interruption test and found sufficient evidence to support three separate convictions for indecent liberties with [...]
Episode 31: Kleist, Allen, and McKoy 17.02.2026 34:43
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals on December 3, 2025. In State v. Kleist, No. COA24-677 (N.C. Ct. App. Dec. 3, 2025), the Court of Appeals found insufficient evidence of aiding and abetting child sex crimes and felony child [...]
Episode 30: Johnson, Vaughn, and Mathews 02.02.2026 27:07
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals on November 5 and 19, 2025. In State v. Johnson, No. COA24-1126 (N.C. Ct. App. Nov. 5, 2025), the Court of Appeals found no error in the denial of the defendant’s request for [...]
Episode 29: Barthel, Wilson, and Hickman 20.01.2026 29:11
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals on November 5, 2025. In State v. Barthel, No. COA25-159 (N.C. Ct. App. Nov. 5, 2025), the Court of Appeals vacated the defendant’s convictions arising from the display of a vulgar banner at [...]
Episode 28: Chemuti, Wilson, and Rogers 12.01.2026 38:35
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Supreme Court on Oct. 17, 2025. In State v. Chemuti, No. 282PA24 (N.C. Oct. 17, 2025), the Supreme Court ruled that defendants cannot compel the production of body camera footage and other recordings in the custody [...]
Episode 27: Lamm, Ramsey, and Pardo 05.01.2026 33:46
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals on Oct. 1, 2025. In State v. Lamm, No. COA24-982 (N.C. Ct. App. Oct. 1, 2025), the Court of Appeals held that a prior acquittal did not collaterally estop the State from presenting [...]
Episode 26: Chafen, Thomas, and Creed 15.12.2025 33:09
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals on September 17, 2025. In State v. Chafen, No. COA24-1030 (N.C. Ct. App. Sept. 17, 2025), the Court of Appeals found no error when there was insufficient evidence to raise a bona fide [...]
Episode 25: Powell, Watkins, and Quiterio-Morrison 08.12.2025 30:54
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals on September 3, 2025. In State v. Powell, No. COA24-556 (N.C. Ct. App. Sept. 3, 2025), the Court of Appeals awarded the defendant a new trial when the trial court erred by failing [...]
Episode 24: McCall, Council, and Wright 06.11.2025 32:03
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by North Carolina appellate courts on August 20 and 22, 2025. In State v. McCall, COA24-779 (N.C. Ct. App. Aug. 20, 2025), the Court of Appeals held that the State may use evidence of the defendant’s pre-arrest silence as substantive evidence [...]
Episode 23: Jenkins, Jones, & Wright 15.10.2025 29:00
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals on August 6, 2025. In State v. Jenkins, No. COA24-889 (N.C. Ct. App. Aug. 6, 2025), the Court of Appeals construed the some-other-provision-of-law clause of G.S. 14-34.10 to preclude sentencing a defendant on [...]
Episode 22: Upchurch, Venable, and Moore 24.09.2025 35:11
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals on July 2 and July 16, 2025. In State v. Upchurch, No. COA24-460 (N.C. Ct. App. July 2, 2025), the Court of Appeals found no error in the denial of the defendant’s motion [...]
Episode 21: Gilbert, Tadlock, and Wingate 04.09.2025 35:33
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals on July 2, 2025. In State v. Gilbert, No. COA25-32 (N.C. Ct. App. July 2, 2025), the Court of Appeals held that it was improper for the prosecutor during closing argument to refer [...]
Episode 20: Tate and Gault 19.08.2025 27:50
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss two cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals on June 18, 2025. In State v. Tate, COA24-450 (N.C. Ct. App. June 18, 2025), the Court of Appeals rejected the defendant’s Confrontation Clause challenge to the trial court’s admission of DNA results absent an opportunity [...]
Episode 19: Arrington, Gardner, and Owens 04.08.2025 31:15
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals on June 4, 2025. In State v. Arrington, COA24-688 (N.C. Ct. App. June 4, 2025), the Court of Appeals found no impropriety when the prosecutor told the jury that a State’s witness was [...]
Episode 18: Chambers, Bowman, and Joyner 10.07.2025 33:38
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Appellate Courts in May 2025. In State v. Chambers, No. 56PA24 (N.C. May 23, 2025), the Supreme Court held that substitution of a juror after deliberations have begun (per G.S. 15A-1215(a)) does not violate a defendant’s [...]
Episode 17: Meadows, Ducker, and Townsend 24.06.2025 35:10
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals in May 2025. In State v. Meadows, COA24-149 (N.C. Ct. App. May 7, 2025), the Court of Appeals awarded a new trial where defense counsel impliedly admitted the defendant’s guilt to the jury [...]
Episode 16: Peters, Watlington, and Bryant 12.06.2025 33:15
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Court of Appeals on April 16, 2025. In State v. Peters, COA24-475, the Court of Appeals concluded that the trial court’s findings on the defendant’s motion to suppress did not resolve the question of whether the defendant [...]
Episode 15: Fenner, Capps, and Ervin 29.05.2025 34:31
In this episode, Hyde and Holbrook discuss three cases decided by the North Carolina Appellate Courts in March and April 2025. In State v. Fenner, 289PA23 (N.C. Mar. 21, 2025), the North Carolina Supreme Court held that the trial court complied with the colloquy required by G.S. 15A-1242 despite a [...]
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