Avoca AI
Trade Secrets: From the Ground Up | Stories of Operators Who've Seen it All
Some of the sharpest business operators in America run home services companies. They've scaled from one truck to hundreds. Navigated rollups, recessions, and three generations of technology shifts. Built and rebuilt teams of thousands. Trade Secrets: From the Ground Up is the podcast where Avoca co-founder Tyson Chen sits down with these operators and asks how they actually did it. The early bets that paid off. The decisions that didn't age well. The systems they wish they'd built sooner. New episodes bi-weekly.
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Episodes
The Man Behind Both Brands | Town & Country Services 02.07.2026 48:47
Luke Weiden, President of Town & Country Services, has staked out McDonald's parking lots and gas stations, all in the name of his number one rule: always be recruiting. He's also the guy who secretly ran two rival HVAC companies in Chicago just two miles apart, side by side. From growing a small Illinois shop to scaling past $20 million and partnering with private equity, Luke shares...
From Two-Way Radios to AI Agents | Golden Rule 18.06.2026 54:39
Tyson Chen sits down with Mark Paup, President of Golden Rule Plumbing, Heating, Cooling & Electrical to trace one of the most compelling origin stories in the trades. Mark bought a struggling Iowa plumbing company for $120K at 24 years old with no real plan and nearly lost everything in the first six months. He shares how early financial discipline, a timely pivot away from new construction b...
The First Unregulated 'Utility' | Granite Comfort 04.06.2026 47:39
What if you could take HVAC off your customers' minds forever? Alex Black, Chairman and CEO of Granite Comfort, did exactly that, by replacing one-time installs with a simple monthly subscription covering equipment, service, and maintenance. In this episode, Alex breaks down how he built the world's first unregulated 'utility,' why most PE firms couldn't see the vision, and what it takes to flip t...
70 Years and Still Rebuilding | Genz-Ryan 21.05.2026 57:14
Jon Ryan of Genz-Ryan, took over his family's HVAC, plumbing, and electrical business fresh out of college. He would spend the next two decades rebuilding it from scratch. Twice. In this episode, he shares what it really takes to survive a housing crash, ditch your dad's business model, and come out the other side stronger.
The HVAC Math No One Tells You | Rescue Air TX 07.05.2026 50:04
Very few companies ever cross $10M in revenue. In this episode, Rescue Air founders, Michael Hirsh and Josh Campbell, sit down with Tyson Chen to break down how they built one of Texas' premier HVAC and plumbing businesses. They talk glass ceilings, equity deals, and technology.
Best Decisions Over Beer 05.05.2026 0:43
First episode launches Thursday, May 7. Avoca AI's Tyson Chen sits down with Rescue Air TX's Josh Campbell and Michael Hirsh on the discipline that separates the 1 in 1000 service businesses that actually scale and the tech bets that keep them ahead.
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