Nikki DeSantis & Greg Rosenhan

Tour Operator Growth Podcast

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The Tour Operator Growth Podcast is for tour and activity business owners who feel like they’re constantly juggling everything and still wondering why growth feels harder than it should. Most tour businesses don’t fail because the experience isn’t good. They struggle because the business outgrows the systems holding it together. Bookings come from all directions. Marketing feels scattered. The website, the phones, email, reviews, and follow-ups all live in different places. And somehow you’re supposed to manage it all while still running trips. This podcast was built from that exact reality. T...

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Nikki DeSantis & Greg Rosenhan

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Business

Podcast website

www.buzzsprout.com

Latest episode

Jul 7, 2026

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Episodes

Should Tour Operators Still Blog in the Age of AI? 07.07.2026

If AI is handing travelers the answers before they ever reach your website, why would any tour operator still bother blogging? In this episode of the Tour Operator Growth Podcast, Nikki and Greg make the case that content matters more now than ever. They break down where blogging fits in the dreaming and planning stages of the Resmark Growth Engine, why AI and Google both reward firsthand expertis...

The Lifetime-Value Playbook: Repeat Bookings, Referrals, Merch & UGC 30.06.2026

A happy guest who walks away with just a memory is a marketing opportunity that didn't compound. The operators winning right now turn one trip into repeat bookings, referrals, walking billboards, and content that sells future trips. In this episode of the Tour Operator Growth Podcast, Nikki and Greg close out the Sharing stage of the Resmark Growth Engine with a deep dive into lifetime value....

How to Build a Review Engine Guests Actually Want to Use 23.06.2026

90% of travelers read reviews before booking, yet most great trips never turn into a single review. Why? Timing. In this episode of the Tour Operator Growth Podcast, Nikki and Greg open the Sharing stage of the Resmark Growth Engine and break down how to build a review system guests actually want to use. They dig into the 24 to 72 hour window when guest excitement peaks, how to set up an automated...

When Guests Show Up: The Trip Experience That Sells Itself 16.06.2026

What actually makes a guest remember a tour for years after it ends? In this episode of the Tour Operator Growth Podcast, we break down the part of the customer journey that matters most: the actual experience itself. From guides who create unforgettable moments to small details that turn guests into lifelong fans, we explore why the best operators do not leave great experiences to chance. They bu...

Between Booking and Trip Day — The Pre-Trip Experience That Wins Reviews 09.06.2026

Did you know that most guest satisfaction is shaped before the trip even begins? In this episode of the Tour Operator Growth Podcast, we break down the often-overlooked part of the customer journey that happens between booking day and trip day. This is the window where guests either become more excited and confident about their purchase… or start second-guessing whether they made the right decisio...

Building an Adventure Tour Company People Come Back To for 20 Years with Dan Oberlatz of Alaska Alpine Adventures 02.06.2026

What makes a tour feel truly transformational? And how do you build an experience guests never stop talking about? In this episode, Nikki sits down with Dan Oberlatz, founder of Alaska Alpine Adventures, to talk about building one of Alaska’s most respected wilderness adventure companies over the last 28 years. Dan shares how Alaska Alpine grew from a single guest and a Backpacker Magazine ad into...

Build a Checkout Flow That Actually Closes the Sale 26.05.2026

You did the hard work — they clicked Book Now. So why are so many of them dropping off before they finish? In Part 2 of the Booking Stage, Nikki, Greg, and Brandon Lake dig into what happens after the click: the checkout flow, mobile experience, upsells, and the small friction points quietly costing tour operators bookings every day. We talk through how many steps your booking process should reall...

3 Tour Page Fixes That Drive More Bookings 19.05.2026

Your tour pages are the 15-second preview that decides whether a visitor becomes a booking or bounces. In this episode, Nikki and Greg are joined by returning guest Brandon Lake to kick off the Booking Stage of the Resmark Growth Engine, starting with the product page itself. We break down why most tour operator sites convert at just 1–3%, the trust markers and copy that need to live above the fol...

Why Tour Operators Lose Bookings Without Clarity 12.05.2026

What actually makes someone choose your tour over everyone else? In this episode, we bring on Katja from the Resmark team, who works hands-on with tour operators every day, to break down what’s really happening in the Planning stage. We get into why so many potential guests open multiple tabs, feel overwhelmed, and leave, and how a lack of clarity is usually the reason.  From a traveler’s perspect...

Why the Best Tour Marketing Feels Like a Conversation 05.05.2026

Most tour operators focus on looking professional. But that’s not always what makes you stand out when every option looks good. In this episode, we sit down with Stephanie from Sunny Cove Kayaking, an operator with nearly two decades of experience in Alaska, to break down what actually makes guests choose one tour over another. Her approach is simple but powerful. She writes her website like she’s...

How Retargeting Ads Bring Tour Guests Back to Book 28.04.2026

You’re already getting traffic to your website. The problem is most of those visitors leave and never come back. In this episode, we break down how retargeting ads help tour operators stay in front of those potential guests and turn missed opportunities into actual bookings. Most people do not book on their first visit, and without a follow up system, they are gone.  You’ll learn: What remarketing...

Lead Nurturing & Ongoing Emails: How Tour Operators Turn Leads Into Bookings 21.04.2026

You’re already getting leads. People are visiting your website, downloading your guides, and checking availability. But most of them never book because there is no real follow-up system in place. In this episode, we break down how to turn those warm leads into actual bookings using simple, automated email nurturing. This is one of the highest impact systems you can build to stay top of mind, build...

How Lead Magnets Turn Traffic Into Bookings 14.04.2026

Most travelers don’t book the first time they visit your website. So what happens when they leave? In this episode, we break down how tour operators can capture leads, stay top of mind, and turn lost traffic into future bookings using powerful lead magnets. You’ll learn how to create high-value offers that people actually want, where to place them on your website, and how to follow up with email s...

Why Your Website Isn’t Converting (And How to Fix It) 07.04.2026

Most tour operators think they need more traffic. But what if the real problem is your website isn’t converting the traffic you already have? In this episode of The Tour Operator Growth Podcast, we break down how to turn your website into a booking machine by focusing on conversion rate optimization, not just design or SEO. You’ll learn how small changes in clarity, trust, and user experience can...

Inside Your Ideal Customer’s Mind: Why Tours Get Booked 31.03.2026

Most tour operators think about marketing from their own perspective. But what actually happens inside the mind of a traveler when they start dreaming about a trip? In this episode of the Tour Operator Growth Podcast, we flip the perspective and hear directly from a real traveler. Corey Jay, Marketing Director at Zebulon, joins us to walk through how she actually discovers, researches, and decides...

How Tour Operators Build Marketing That Works for Decades 24.03.2026

Grand Canyon Expeditions has been guiding trips through the canyon since 1964. Over the years, their marketing has evolved from print ads and travel shows to SEO, social media, and digital campaigns. In this episode of the Tour Operator Growth Podcast , we sit down with Allison Carlin , Marketing Director at Grand Canyon Expeditions, to talk about how tour operators can build marketing that works...

How to Use OTAs Without Letting Them Run Your Business with Expedition Kanab 17.03.2026

Are OTAs helping your tour business grow or taking control of your bookings? In this episode of the Tour Operator Growth Podcast, we talk with Rhees Jackson, owner of Expedition Kanab in Southern Utah, about how he uses OTAs without relying on them. Today, less than 5% of his bookings come from OTAs. Most come from SEO, Google Ads, social media, and direct marketing.  We break down how he made tha...

Why Most Tour Operators Ignore Local Partners with Josh Oakes 10.03.2026

Many tour operators rely heavily on OTAs or website bookings and overlook one of the most powerful growth channels available to them: local partnerships and reseller networks. In this episode of the Tour Operator Growth Podcast, we sit down with Josh Oakes of The Sunshine Tribe, a former tour operator who built and sold a multi-million-dollar tour company and now helps tourism businesses grow thro...

Why Social Media Is Critical for Tour Operators 24.02.2026

Social media is not just a place to post photos. For tour operators, it is one of the most powerful tools in the Dreaming Stage of the Growth Engine. In this episode of the Tour Operator Growth Podcast, we break down why social media matters more than ever for tour and activity businesses. You are not just competing with other tour companies. You are competing with cat videos, workout tips, and ev...

Paid Ads for Tour Operators: When to Use Them (and When Not To) 17.02.2026

Paid ads can help you grow faster or waste money very quickly. In this episode of the Tour Operator Growth Podcast, we break down how paid ads actually work for tour operators and why they often feel risky or unpredictable. This conversation sits in the Dreaming stage of the Growth Engine, where potential guests are discovering options and starting to form trust. Paid ads show up early in that jou...

Why SEO Is the Foundation of Tour Business Growth 10.02.2026

SEO is not a tactic. It is the foundation of how guests find you. Before someone is ready to book a tour, they are dreaming. They are researching destinations, exploring options, and gathering ideas. If your business does not show up in that moment, you are invisible. In this episode of the Tour Operator Growth Podcast , we break down why SEO sits at the very beginning of the Growth Engine and why...

The 5 Stages Every Tour Business Must Build to Grow with Brandon Lake 03.02.2026

Most tour operators try to grow by fixing random problems as they pop up. More ads. A new booking tool. Better reviews. Maybe SEO next. The problem is not effort. It’s structure. In this episode of the Tour Operator Growth Podcast, we’re joined by Brandon Lake, founder of Resmark Systems, WaiverSign, and ResmarkWeb. Brandon also helps operate Western River Expeditions and Moab Adventure Center , t...

What the AI Buying Journey Looks Like for Tour Customers Today 27.01.2026

AI is no longer just a backend tool. It is quickly becoming one of the first places guests go when planning a tour. In this episode, we look at the buying journey from the customer’s perspective and break down how AI fits into tour research, comparison, and decision-making. We share real examples of how travelers use tools like ChatGPT and Google’s AI results, how they move between AI, websites, r...

Why Tour Operators Need to Be Everywhere Their Guests Are 18.01.2026

Most tour bookings do not come from one place, and that is exactly where many tour operators get stuck. Guests discover tours across Google, review sites, OTAs, social media, AI tools, email, and even offline channels like brochures and hotels. If you are only focused on one channel, you are likely missing bookings you never even see. In this first episode of The Tour Operator Growth Podcast , we...

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