Pavilion

Topline

The #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Tune in every week to hear Sam Jacobs, AJ Bruno and Asad Zaman discuss and debate the trends, news, and developments impacting the B2B tech world. Enjoy the hot takes, strong opinions, and dry humor.

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Pavilion

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Technology

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Latest episode

Jul 5, 2026

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Episodes

E63: Insights on Brand-Led Growth with Kathleen Booth of Pavilion 23.06.2024

Kathleen Booth, SVP of Marketing and Growth at Pavilion, joins Topline to discuss the evolving landscape of brand and demand generation. The conversation starts off by delving into a recent report by TrustRadius and Pavilion, highlighting shifts in buyer behavior and the importance of brand-led growth. They also explore the need for a balanced approach between brand investment and demand generatio...

TOPLINE HOTLINE: How do I learn the skills to become a CRO as a young, top-performing sales rep? 20.06.2024

This week's mini-episode, we tackle a question from a high-performing sales rep at a Series C startup. The rep, concerned about their lack of strategy and operations experience, asks whether pursuing an MBA or consulting position would better prepare them for a future CRO role. We discuss the value of an MBA in the high-growth tech world, suggesting that practical experience and community-based le...

E62: From Operator to Investor: Insights from Liz Christo of Stage 2 Capital 16.06.2024

Liz Christo (Partner, Stage 2 Capital) joins the show to share her unique perspectives on diagnosing retention issues, experimenting with pricing models, and improving board dynamics in B2B tech. We also dive into the innovative pod structure at Stage 2 Capital, where partners from various backgrounds work together on deals. Listen to this episode to get valuable strategies for improving retention...

TOPLINE HOTLINE: How do I go about exiting an executive from our organization? 13.06.2024

This week's mini-episode revolves around managing executive exits in organizations, including the challenges, best practices, and considerations involved. Our hosts also delve into the importance of empathy and fairness in the process, touching on the evolving nature of employment in the tech industry and the importance of negotiation and fairness in executive exits. Enjoy the mini-episode?  Read...

TOPLINE HOTLINE: Should I trust references when hiring if someone has not listed a direct manager? 12.06.2024

In this episode of Topline Hotline, the conversation centers around the importance of references in the hiring process, including back channels and traditional references. Sam, AJ, and Asad delve into the significance of transparency in the candidate evaluation process and the challenges of obtaining accurate references. Enjoy the mini-episode? Read the recaps or join our Slack channel to engage w...

E61: What does Salesforce's revenue miss mean for SaaS? 09.06.2024

In this week's episode, our hosts discuss the recent turbulence in the public markets, focusing on Salesforce's first revenue miss since 2006 and its implications for the SaaS industry. The conversation also delves into the challenges of IPOs, fundraising, and business operations, particularly in the context of M&A as a soft landing option, the importance of maintaining a healthy mindset amidst ma...

E60: The impact of loneliness in the workplace 02.06.2024

In this episode of Topline, Sam, AJ, and Asad explore the impact of cloud technology on business viability, David Kellogg's Playing to Win vs. Playing to Make Plan , and the impact of remote work on loneliness. Want more Topline? Join the Topline Slack channel to engage with hosts, guests, and other listeners and read episode recaps . Also, make sure to secure a ticket for CRO Summit 2024 on June...

TOPLINE HOTLINE: How do I handle an AE who is creating a toxic work environment? 30.05.2024

On Topline Hotline 35, our hosts tackle a two-part question seeking advice on sales leadership. The first issue involves an AE who schedules meetings with other AEs to voice complaints. The second issue surrounds the lack of trust between this AE and management, which needs to be addressed and built. Enjoy the mini-episode? Read the recaps or join our Slack channel to engage with other listeners h...

E59: NRR vs GRR, usage vs seat-based pricing, and how to announce a product release 26.05.2024

This week, our hosts discuss the impact of net revenue retention (NRR) and churn on SaaS companies, the challenges/opportunities of transitioning from seat-based to usage-based pricing models, the significance of effective product releases, and more. Want more Topline? Join the Topline Slack channel to engage with hosts, guests, and other listeners and read episode recaps . Also, make sure to secu...

TOPLINE HOTLINE: How can you avoid burnout as an executive? 23.05.2024

Following the conversation from episode 57 around work-life balance, a member of the Topline Slack channel wants to learn more about how to avoid burnout as an executive, as they've found it difficult to mentally turn off work, separate their personal identity from work, etc.  Watch Episode 57 here . Enjoy the mini-episode?  Read the recaps or join our Slack channel to engage with other listeners...

E58: Q1 2024 Market Update 19.05.2024

In this episode of Topline, Sam, AJ, and Asad discuss the current state of the market, employment trends, and the challenges tech companies face. The trio provides insights into the Q1 2024 funding landscape, efficient capital allocation for business success, the challenges faced by job seekers, and the shifting expectations for executive roles. Want more Topline? Join the Topline Slack channel to...

TOPLINE HOTLINE: How will the role of venture adapt as companies reach profitability more cost-effectively? 16.05.2024

Following the episode with Mark Roberge, your Topline hosts discuss the role of venture in a world where companies can achieve product-market fit and profitable growth at reduced startup costs. They also explore the use of AI and emerging technologies in building and selling products with smaller teams, as well as its impact on venture funding and the need for follow-up rounds. Enjoy the mini-epis...

E57: Finding and maintaining product-market fit 12.05.2024

In this week's episode, Sam, AJ, and Asad explore the concept of product-market fit and its importance in building a successful business. They also touch on the challenges of finding and maintaining product-market fit, viewing product-market fit as an ongoing process, the impact of business challenges on personal health, the disillusionment and disengagement of young professionals, and more.   Wan...

E56: Exploring Sales Team Dynamics with Ryan Walsh of RepVue 09.05.2024

Ryan Walsh , Founder and CEO of RepVue, joins hosts Sam Jacobs, AJ Bruno, and Asad Zaman to discuss the intricacies of sales organizations and the impact of efficiency shifts on sales teams. This episode also explores broader topics, such as the challenges of hiring and training in sales, the evolution of sales roles with AI advancements, and the importance of transparency in company operations. W...

E55: The State of AI in GTM with Mark Roberge of Stage 2 Capital 05.05.2024

Mark Roberge is the Co-Founder of Stage 2 Capital and author of The Sales Acceleration Formula. Mark joins the show to discuss the challenges and opportunities for businesses embracing AI. The group dives into the key GTM applications for AI, challenges larger companies have with adopting this technology, and how future regulation may impact development in the field moving forward. Want more Topli...

TOPLINE HOTLINE: How can we improve sales for our second solution? 02.05.2024

This episode of Topline Hotline revolves around the challenge of selling a second solution that has a larger market but is struggling in sales. Sam, AJ, and Asad discuss the need for different go-to-market motions and teams for different products, as well as the importance of investing in dedicated resources. Enjoy the mini-episode? Read the recaps or join our Slack channel to engage with other li...

E54: Why are more CMOs becoming CROs? 28.04.2024

Kathleen Booth , SVP of Marketing and Growth at Pavilion, joins the podcast to discuss the increasingly popular transition from CMO to CRO. Kathleen and the hosts discuss the importance of marketing sales alignment, the recent cease and desist letter from 6sense to Adam Robinson of Retention.com, and last week's FTC rule that bans noncompetes nationwide. Read Adam Robinson's LinkedIn post that led...

TOPLINE HOTLINE: How do I build a pipeline of VCs as I try to start my business? 25.04.2024

In this episode of Topline Hotline, the hosts discuss the challenges faced by non-technical founders looking to raise a seed round for their startup. They provide advice on building a pipeline of VCs and positioning the business. Enjoy the mini-episode? Read the recaps or join our Slack channel to engage with other listeners here .  

E53: Understanding software engineering as a non-technical founder 21.04.2024

In this week's episode, join Sam, AJ, and Asad as they delve into Gong's State of Revenue Leadership Report , explore the challenges startups encounter in a market that prefers comprehensive solutions, help non-technical founders understand the work of engineers, and more. Want more Topline? Join the Topline Slack channel to engage with hosts, guests, and other listeners and read episode recaps .

TOPLINE HOTLINE: How do you address the pricing gap between early adopters vs new customers? 18.04.2024

In this week's mini-episode, our Topline hosts and David Obrand of Salesloft discuss addressing the gap in pricing between early customers and new customers for SaaS companies. The hosts discuss the challenges and strategies for handling this issue, including the psychological aspect, setting expectations upfront, and emphasizing the value provided to early customers. Want more Topline? Read episo...

E52: David Obrand of Salesloft on Successfully Navigating the Everchanging GTM Landscape 14.04.2024

This episode officially marks one year of Topline! We are excited to kick off Season 2 with a very special guest: David Obrand , renowned SaaS leader and the current CEO of Salesloft . In this episode, David breaks down Salesloft's 3 pillars for successfully navigating the enterprise market. He also delves into the need for a revenue orchestration platform and recounts his transition to CEO at Sal...

E51: How Adam Robinson Bootstrapped Retention.com to $22M ARR 07.04.2024

Adam Robinson is among the most renowned founders in SaaS today. He has amassed nearly 75,000 followers on LinkedIn through building Retention.com "in public" to $22M ARR over the last 4 years. He joins Topline to share his story as a bootstrapped entrepreneur and influencer, along with some tips on how other technology leaders can grow their LinkedIn presence. Want more Topline? Join the Topline...

TOPLINE HOTLINE: What creative initiatives can I implement to secure a better Q2? 04.04.2024

In today's Topline Hotline, Sam, AJ, and Andrea Kayal of Help Scout discuss a question from a new CRO who is concerned about missing Q1 revenue after being in the role for 7 days. They explore the reasons for the concern and the impact of a Q1 miss in recurring revenue businesses, as well as strategies to pull revenue forward.  Enjoy the mini-episode?  Read the recaps or join our Slack channel to...

E50: Improving Your CAC-to-LTV Ratio with Help Scout CRO Andrea Kayal 31.03.2024

Andrea Kaya from Help Scout joins Topline to discuss the shift from growth at any cost to profitable efficient growth (PEG) and shares tips on how to tackle churn and improve your CAC-to-LTV ratio. The group also discusses the latest revenue attainment data from  Pavilion's March Pulse Report . Want more Topline? Read episode recaps or join our Slack channel to engage with other listeners. Andrea...

TOPLINE HOTLINE: What are the deadly sins of win-loss analysis? 28.03.2024

Description: In this Thursday's mini-episode, Sam, AJ, and Asad discuss the deadly sins of win-loss analysis. They explore topics such as trusting CRM data, engaging third-party consultants, and improving CRM data quality.   Enjoy the mini-episode? Read the recaps or join our Slack channel to engage with other listeners here .  

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