There Will Be Dancing

What does it mean to fight for democracy at the very moment trust in it is falling? How do you build a tool that reaches the grandmothers, the rusted-on voters, the people who have never thought twice about how they number their ballot? And what happens when you decide to stop chasing the algorithm and build something that actually earns people's attention instead? In this episode of There Wi...

What does it mean to stay radically optimistic about a technology that the world keeps refusing to adopt fast enough? How do you keep faith with democracy when it seems to be failing to meet the moment? And what would it actually look like to build a clean energy future that was genuinely designed for everyone? In this episode of There Will Be Dancing, Victoria, Odette and Sanaya sit down with Dr...

What happens when communities are handed the information they have been quietly denied? How do you do equitable work inside a movement that often assumes its own goodness? And what does it look like to keep going when the global tide on women's rights and climate justice feels like it has just turned? In this episode of There Will Be Dancing, Victoria, Odette and Sanaya sit down with Robyn Ja...

Can a story change the way we see nature? Can humour do what doom cannot? And what happens when we finally start telling the stories of the women, the weirdos, and the wildlife the world has long overlooked? In this episode of There Will Be Dancing, Victoria, Odette and Sanaya sit down with award-winning environmentalist, author and founder of My Green World, Natalie Kyriacou OAM. A national ambas...

Can a song shift a system? Can grief become fuel for social change? In this episode of There Will Be Dancing, Victoria, Odette and Sanaya sit down with Holly Rankin, the artist, activist and organiser better known to many as the musician Jack River. Holly has spent over a decade making music that lingers, building festivals that gather a generation, and using her platform to push for political and...

What would it take to truly protect Country, not just in words, but in law? And what might change if we learned to listen to the oldest knowledge systems on this continent? In this episode of There Will Be Dancing, Victoria, Odette and Sanaya catch up with special guest Sarah Eccles: co-CEO of the Wadawurrung Traditional Owners Aboriginal Corporation (WTOAC) and a leader whose work sits at the int...

What would it take to make the climate movement as diverse as the country it's trying to protect — and what are we missing if we don't? In this episode of There Will Be Dancing, Victoria, Odette and Sanaya sit down with special guest Yolanda Waters — founder of Divers for Climate Action, PhD researcher in marine social science and a rising voice at the intersection of ocean conservation,...

What does it take to create real, lasting change, and who needs to be at the centre of it? In this episode of There Will Be Dancing , Victoria, Odette and Sanaya sit down with special guest Sharan Burrow AC—global advocate, former General Secretary of the International Trade Union Confederation, and one of the most influential voices in climate and labour justice. Sharan has spent decades working...

Welcome everyone, to our very first episode of There Will Be Dancing. We’re so thrilled to share this new project with you, brought to you by Women's Environmental Leadership Australia (WELA).  We designed the podcast to amplify the voices and leadership of women and gender-diverse changemakers working for our climate and environment. Taking its name from the idea that revolutions should leav...

The world is in danger, and the youth are fighting to save it.  At just 16, Anjali Sharma stood in a federal court arguing that the Australian government had a duty to protect future generations from climate change.  Now at 21, Anjali joins hosts Sanaya, Odette, and Victoria to speak candidly about carrying responsibility young, navigating racism and scrutiny, and reframing age, gender and identit...

What makes for a perfect environmentalist? Does it even exist? For our third episode of There Will Be Dancing, Odette and Victoria explore this question with special guest  Kathryn Nelson (aka the ‘Plastic Free Mermaid’), author of I Quit Plastics.  Kathryn's work is a blend of playfulness and protest; she’s created countless DIY beauty and skincare recipes, petitioned local governments, and...