Cliff Lambert
Theology of Music
As an associate professor of music and worship and part-time worship pastor, Cliff has spent years thinking deeply about the songs that we sing together as a church during our corporate worship services. Yet, instead of being another deconstructing voice, Cliff seeks to foster thought-provoking and edifying conversations with folks who create and lead the songs we sing in corporate worship.
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Episodes
The FORM and FUNCTION of Music in Corporate Worship 15.06.2026 38:19
I got to sit down with a good friend and colleague, David Morton, who is the Pastor of Worship and Discipleship at Rileyville Baptist Church, Rileyville, VA. David is extremely well-read, and through it all, the Lord has given him a pastor's heart that truly desires corporate worship to be a practice of spiritual formation. Even though this podcast is titled The Theology of Music, I don'...
One Paradigm for Choosing Corporate Worship Songs with Mike O'Brien 15.02.2026 32:05
I’ve been looking forward to this episode for a while now. I’ve been following Mike O’Brien with Three Streams Worship Training on Instagram for a few years, and I’ve always appreciated his biblical and practical advice for worship leaders. In our conversation, Mike and I discuss some of the finer details of leading worship, especially the importance of understanding the context in which we lead,...
Shepherding Our Congregations Beyond Musical Moments with Dr. Ryan Loche 16.01.2026 27:35
I always love having Dr. Ryan with The Church Collective on the podcast. I appreciate the fact that he’s a deep thinker but doesn’t take himself too seriously. We both come to the table with a lot of ground under our feet while realizing we don’t have all the answers and still need to grow spiritually and vocationally. In this month’s conversation with Dr. Ryan, we explore the multifaceted role o...
The Value of Lament in Corporate Worship with Jon Thurlow 25.11.2025 29:40
I’m really excited for you to listen to this month’s episode of the podcast. I’ve been trying to get Jon on since June, and we were finally able to coordinate our schedules this month. As we were talking, I kept thinking that it was so worth the wait! If you’re a worship leader, let me encourage you to follow @jonmthurlow on Instagram. Jon is a worship pastor whose posts always remind worship lead...
Relational Worship Leadership with Keith Elgin 15.10.2025 40:55
In this conversation, Keith emphasizes the importance of authenticity in worship leadership, the need for discipleship within worship teams, and the balance between talent and spiritual calling. Keith discusses how his personal journey has shaped his approach to ministry, highlighting the significance of focusing on Jesus rather than image, and the importance of creating a healthy worship environm...
Creative and Intentional Worship Planning Using AI with Adam Stinespring 15.09.2025 36:10
This month’s episode is a conversation I had with Adam Stinespring, worship leader, realtor, and designer of CreativeWorshipFlow.com, a worship planning tool using AI to assist worship leaders in putting together intentional times of worship for their congregations. I’ve known Adam for about 7 years, first as a music and worship student at Liberty University. A few months ago, Adam contacted me wa...
When We Sing with Jon Azzarello 15.08.2025 40:22
As I was finishing up my doctoral studies in worship a couple of years ago, I came across a book called “The Greatest Worship Leader,” by author and worship pastor at Mercy Hill Church in North Carolina, Jon Azzarello. I loved the book so much that I began to follow Jon on Instagram. His carousels with tidbits of encouragement for worship leaders were both encouraging and challenging. When he rea...
Important Questions to Ask When Choosing Songs for Coprorate Worship with Dalton Shaffer 14.07.2025 31:16
This month’s episode is a conversation I had with Dalton Shaffer, Music Ministry and Liturgy Director at Candeo church in Cedar Falls, Iowa. I’ve followed Dalton for a while on Instagram, and his inspiration for worship leaders is always ROCK solid. A few weeks ago, he had a post titled “Stop Singing this song in your church,” and it got my attention. But this wasn’t just clickbait bashing mega ch...
AI and the Worship Leader with Travis Doucette - PART 2 16.06.2025 24:47
My guest on this month’s episode is an experienced worship pastor, educator, and songwriter who has provided oversight to one of the largest multi-campus churches in Virginia. I knew I wanted to pull from his expertise and finally got a chance to talk with Canadian native, Travis Doucette, the creator of a brand new training resource for worship leaders… myworshiptrainer.com. Check it out! I’ve k...
AI and the Worship Leader with Travis Doucette - PART 1 15.05.2025 24:23
My guest on this month’s episode is an experienced worship pastor, educator, and songwriter who has provided oversight to one of the largest multi-campus churches in Virginia. I knew I wanted to pull from his expertise and finally got a chance to talk with Canadian native, Travis Doucette, the creator of a brand new training resource for worship leaders… myworshiptrainer.com. Check it out! I’ve k...
Worship Song Contextualization with Dr. Ryan Loche of the Church Collective 03.04.2025 28:32
My guest on this month's episode was long overdue! I got a chance to talk with Dr. Ryan Loche, the co-founder of The Church Collective https://www.instagram.com/thechurchcollective/ . If you’re unfamiliar with this non-profit that encourages and resources worship leaders, you need to check it out on Instagram. I’ve known Dr. Loche for about 10 years, and he’s the real deal. He has served as a...
Colossians 3:16 - An Biblical Guide to Corporate Worship with Spencer Cormany from Leading Worship Well 28.02.2025 27:13
Colossians 3:16 not only guides the Church in WHY we should sing but WHAT we should be singing and WHY we should be singing it.
Do You Have A Worship Song Metric? 16.12.2024 21:33
On this month’s episode, I bring back former guest, Justin Kintzel. While I’ve known Justin for a while through our connections at Liberty University and a quick coffee shop chat a couple of years ago, this will be my first time interviewing him. Justin has written several songs for corporate worship and currently serves as the worship pastor of Grace Church in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area. He a...
How are we Discipling our Congregations in the Songs we Choose for Corporate Worship? 31.10.2024 38:47
Joel and I discuss giving our congregations more than just a musically emotional experience but facilitating opportunities for them to both proclaim and ingest lasting Truth. Such a rich episode!
Brett Perkins Shares Some Guidelines for Choosing and Writing Songs for Corporate Worship 30.09.2024 25:59
This is part 2 of my conversation with Brett Perkins, worship pastor at The Journey Church in Lebanon, TN. In this episode, Brett shares how they choose songs for corporate worship and even some of the things Journey Worship Co. processes as they write songs for the Church. So good!
The Motivation Behind Opening Doors with Brett Perkins 31.08.2024 25:08
My conversation with Brett wasn't planned but it was SO good I had to hit record. In this episode, we discuss God's leading and how we discern the motivation behind stepping into opportunities the Lord places before us as those who lead people in musical corporate worship.
The Role of Emotions in Corporate Worship with Pastor Kevin Haglund 15.07.2024 37:27
A great conversation with Pastor Kevin Haglund on his research regarding the role of emotions in corporate worship.
The Relaunch with Dr. Gabriel Miller 17.06.2024 26:00
Welcome or welcome back! My name is Cliff, and I'm the new Theology of Music podcast host. I'm excited to get to know you as we have discussions around the theology of the music we use in corporate worship settings. Dr. Miller and I will discuss corporate worship's vertical and horizontal aspects in this episode.
The Good and Bad trends in the Church & the Last Episode of the Theology of Music Podcast 21.12.2022 35:45
In this episode, Joel discusses the good and bad trends within the reformed and more charismatic churches. Additionally, Joel gives his last encouragement and exhortation to the listeners of this podcast. Joel's IG: https://www.instagram.com/joelconwell/ Joel's FB: https://www.facebook.com/joel.arcieri/ Band FB: https://www.facebook.com/thegracecollective757 Band IG: https://www.instagr...
Should Churches Cancel Service on Christmas & "Joy To The World" 15.12.2022 31:45
In this episode, Joel touches on a hot topic this year - whether churches should cancel services when Christmas falls on Sunday and how the song "Joy to the World" can inform our decisions.
The Beginning of the End for Theology of Music & Why 08.12.2022 27:29
In this episode, Joel lists the reasons why the podcast is coming to an end and what the last few weeks will look like.
What It's Like to Move Everytime God Calls & the Story Behind "Wherever I Go" feat. Jackie Minton 02.12.2022 35:17
In the last guest episode of the year, Joel sits down with Singer-Songwriter, Jackie Minton, to discuss how God continually utilized a certain Scripture to call her to make big leaps of faith and trust in His provision as well as the story behind her new song "Wherever I Go."
From Unemployed to Being a Pastor, The Story Behind His Music, and How Our Wives Told Us They Were Pregnant Again feat. Daniel Mulkey 25.11.2022 41:30
In this episode, Joel sits down with Daniel Mulkey to talk about what it was like trusting God during a season of unemployment, serving in the church without agenda, and how our wives told us when they were pregnant again!
Growing Up With A Famous Dad, Hypocrisy in Christian Music, & Finding Spiritual Healing Through Playwriting 17.11.2022 35:58
In this episode, Joel sits down with Anna Smith who is the daughter of World-famous Christian Artist, Michael W Smith. In this episode, Joel and Anna talk about what it's like growing up with a famous dad, being jaded by hypocrisy in the Church, and how she found healing after a terrible divorce through writing plays.
From Humble Beginnings to Humbly Leading, Why Our Stories Matter In Songwriting, & Prodigal Living feat. Mitch Langley 10.11.2022 36:14
In this episode, Joel sits down with another fantastic worship leader and songwriter, Mitch Langley. They talk all about how God can use even the most wayward of sinners and bring them to a place where He uses them to spread His name.
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