Ann de Passos and Kim van Niekerk
The View Looks Good
Ann de Passos and Kim van Niekerk on leadership and the impact of the state you lead from. Conversations about pressure, presence, burnout, and what becomes available when the nervous system isn't managing threat. Sometimes just us. Sometimes sharing space with a leader who knows the terrain. Music by Anastasia Chubarova. Visit theviewlooksgood.com to find out more about what we offer.
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Ann de Passos and Kim van Niekerk
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Jan 20, 2026
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Episodes
S4 E10: Grounded Leadership: A Conversation with Ramona Fellermeier 20.01.2026 52:09
In this episode, we’re joined by Ramona Fellermeier, founder of Cura Spaces, for a rich and reflective conversation about building a business that is deeply aligned with who you are. Ramona shares her journey of creating Cura Spaces and how her approach to organisational team and leadership development is shaped by curiosity, connection and self-awareness. We explore what it means to allow persona...
S4 E9: Are you in relationship with money? 11.12.2025 43:38
In this episode, Ann and Kim place money on the table — not as a problem to solve, but as a relationship to notice. What begins as a conversation about discomfort, avoidance, and judgement slowly opens into something softer: a sense that money can be met with curiosity, connection, and even care. Together, they explore how many of us spend years out of relationship with money — ignoring it, rese...
S4 E8: Understanding Children's Emotions 13.11.2025 46:23
In this episode, Ann and Kim talk about what’s really going on beneath children’s big emotions – and why the first step is almost always to regulate ourselves as parents. They unpack simple anchors like “connect before you correct” and the “regulate, relate, reason” flow to help you navigate those heated moments with more steadiness and care - concepts shared by the NHS who offered a wonderful wor...
S4 E7: The Highs and Lows of Comparing Ourselves 17.09.2025 37:09
In this conversation, Ann and Kim explore the pervasive nature of comparison in human behaviour and the impact of judgment on self-worth. They discuss how social media amplifies comparison and the various emotional responses it triggers before shifting the dialogue towards finding growth through comparison, emphasising the importance of gratitude as a crucial way to get there. Key Takeaways: Compa...
S4 E6: Grrr...so much workplace hostility! 17.07.2025 29:52
In this eye-opening episode, we delve into the staggering impact of incivility in the workplace, where $2 billion is lost daily in the US due to reduced productivity and absenteeism. Join us as we explore the subtle yet powerful effects of rude and disrespectful behaviour, and how it undermines workplace harmony. Discover practical insights on fostering a culture of respect and understanding, and...
S4 E4: Meeting our Edges 20.06.2025 23:05
Ann and Kim explore the discomfort and beauty of encountering our personal edges—the moments when we feel completely full, stretched to capacity, and perhaps at the limits of our capabilities. Rather than seeing these edges as boundaries signalling failure or limitation, this episode invites us to reframe them as essential moments for reflection and celebration. Ann and Kim discuss how acknowledg...
S4 E5: Leadership that Answers the Call of a Country 19.06.2025 42:00
How do you lift people to their greatest potential when your country has a legacy of authoritarian leadership that has kept people's identities and their value in small boxes? Nkululeko Dwight Sibiya and Sifiso Ripinga are doing just this in Gauteng, South Africa. They join Ann and Kim to share their remarkable adventure into a new definition of leadership at their company, TC&HS, one that kee...
S4 E3: The Power of Spaciousness: A Conversation with Noella Moshi 09.04.2025 48:36
In this deeply grounding episode, we’re joined by the luminous Noella Moshi—consultant, TEDx speaker, and all-round dynamic and compassionate catalyst for change in the world of leadership and impact. Together, we explore the evolution from overextension to spaciousness, from identity shaped by others to a life built on integrity and intention. Noella shares her journey of partnering with visionar...
S4 E2: It Was There All Along: A Conversation with Sarah Pritzl 01.04.2025 51:58
This week, we’re joined by Sarah Pritzl — ideas coach, founder of Anomaly , and a quietly joyful force in the world of creativity. Together we explore what it means to live and work from a Nervous System-First perspective - where ideas aren’t just fleeting thoughts, but living entities we’re in relationship with. Sarah invites us into a space where thinking meets feeling, where effort meets play,...
S4 E1: The Word Was Energy 25.03.2025 23:09
We’re back with Season 4! And in this opening episode, we’re talking about energy . We reflect on the energy behind The View Looks Good - how it began as a voice for our hearts, and became a shared space to explore a more soulful, human way of living and working. We talk about the kind of energy that moves us - the pull of purpose, the power of speaking up, and the charge of an idea that’s bigger...
S3 E7: One Self, Many Contexts 27.01.2025 20:07
After two exciting (and slightly giddy) days of diving into strategic thinking for The View Looks Good, Kim and Ann sit down to share their energy and insights in this episode. Here, they challenge the notion that we’re fundamentally different in our personal and professional lives. In reality, we’re the same person—our nervous system doesn’t take a break when we shift roles. What changes is the c...
S3 E6: A Festive Slowdown Meditation 20.12.2024 10:27
Instead of our usual chat, we wanted to offer you a chance to slow down and connect with the beauty of this time of year by sharing a guided meditation. We wish you and all those around you a wonderful festive season filled with connection that makes your heart zing!
S3 E5: Digesting Life to Evolve 11.12.2024 35:31
In this episode Ann and Kim discuss the concept of 'digesting' difficult moments and how important this is to move through life with ease. Do you clear the emotional debris that builds up? Have you got techniques that you consciously use to clear out this debris? Have you felt the growth from going through difficult moments, digesting them effectively and feeling your window of tolerance being big...
S3 E4 : Your Resistance is the Place to Start 04.12.2024 43:52
Ever noticed your resistance to parts of your life, to particular people, to particular projects or work? Slow down enough and you will notice it tells some powerful stories about your beliefs and stuck emotions on these subjects. In this episode Ann gets Kim to unexpectedly explore her resistance to big energy and emotions that she has encountered throughout her career and talk about why this is...
S3 E3 bonus: The Power of Pause: Redefining Productivity for Growth 28.11.2024 17:50
In this conversation, Kim and Ann explore the dynamics of productivity and inactivity, emphasising the importance of recognising and valuing different states of being. They discuss how societal coding often equates productivity with worth, leading to feelings of inadequacy during inactive periods. The dialogue highlights the significance of energy dynamics in partnerships, the redefinition of prod...
S3 E3: Competitive to connected: The evolutionary path to successful collaboration 27.11.2024 28:07
In this episode, Kim and Ann delve into the profound evolution of human connection. Through candid and energising dialogue, they unpack the unseen forces shaping our relationships—our personal states, the fawn response, and the tension between competition and collaboration. Together, they explore how embracing vulnerability, emotional regulation, and the full spectrum of human experience can unloc...
S3 E2: Evolving from the Judgment Trap 20.11.2024 45:28
In this conversation, Kim and Ann explore judgment—its role in personal growth, relationships, and communication, and how it can trap us. They discuss how judgment can lead to dysregulation and impact our ability to connect with others, and they share ways to shift from judgment to compassion. The episode covers topics such as creating psychological safety, navigating challenging relationships, an...
S3 E1: From Victim to Creator: A Journey of Conscious Evolution 15.11.2024 33:15
Kim and Ann dive deep into the transformative journey of conscious evolution , helping us move from a victim mindset to a creator mindset . They explore the powerful concepts of the Karpman drama triangle —victim, persecutor, and rescuer—and how understanding these dynamics can spark personal growth. Key Takeaways: Discover how recognising and digesting the feeling of being a victim of life is the...
S2 E15: Launching our online community 17.07.2024 30:55
Welcome to the final episode of season two, where Kim and Ann reflect on their journey of building an online community space from scratch. Join them in celebrating the launch of their community space at The View Looks Good , and discover the lessons they've learned along the way. This season has been an incredible journey, filled with growth, challenges, and triumphs. We want to share our lear...
S2 E14: Belonging 21.05.2024 23:31
What comes first: waiting for the perfect conditions to belong, or choosing to belong and discovering perfection in the present moment? In this week's episode, Kim and Ann delve into the transformative power of choosing to belong. Whether it's in a relationship, within an organization, to our work, our physical surroundings, or even the random situations life throws our way—making the conscious ch...
S2 E13: What does movement look like in a ventral business? 10.05.2024 31:55
Turning ideas into tasks and actions can easily trigger our nervous systems into a swing state. When two or more people collaborate, the increased complexity makes these swings even more likely, often leading to doubt, fear, and an inability to achieve our goals. However, with conscious awareness of our nervous system's signals, we can learn, intuit, and act with greater confidence. In business, w...
S2 E12: Building a ventral lifestyle to build a ventral business 30.04.2024 25:25
In this episode Kim and Ann take a step back from the nitty-gritty of business building and reflect on the expansive landscape of life itself. Exploring how finding our ventral state in every facet of our lives contributes to the foundation of a successful venture. Living and creating in ventral is like breathing, expanding and contracting to invite wisdom and intuition while releasing past wounds...
S2 E2: Building a business from a ventral state 29.04.2024 16:12
We've been putting off sharing this detail...our nervous systems have been swinging all over the place! But in a moment of some grounding it made complete sense to say - we're building a business from a ventral state and we want you to be part of it! So here is the first episode of the new season where we share what the journey has been so far. From working out what this business should focus on,...
S2 E3: Decision making from ventral 29.04.2024 29:54
Sensing the system. Listening to our nervous system to hear what are the next steps we take to build a ventral business. As we explore different avenues to progress our business, our nervous system is triggered. What can feel like extending or retreating is useful information to help us better understand what is emerging in us. To observe from ventral is to listen to all that is emerging and explo...
S2 E11: Building a ventral business is building an anti-racist organisation 29.04.2024 28:48
In this episode, Kim and Ann embark on a journey to unpack the impact of deep nervous system intelligence on conversations surrounding anti-racism, anti-colonization, and all discussions related to Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion (EDI). As we navigate through conversations about EDI, it's common to encounter stormy and unsettling terrain. We witness a pressing need for evolution in how we embrace...
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